Episode 385 · The Studio Revamp
Trevor Wallace & The Nickelodeon Scandal | The Tim Dillon Show #385
with Trevor Wallace
Mar 23, 2024 · 1:01:31 · 486,000 views · 27 segments, 146 moments indexed
Tim talks with comedian Trevor Wallace about influencers in the military, the suburbs, what kids are being taught in preschool, saving Hollywood and the new Nickelodeon abuse documentary.
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- 3 min
Trevor Wallace and the Suicide Epidemic Among Young White Men
#Tim opens by joking with guest Trevor Wallace about young white men "unaliving" themselves, riffing on ring lights, monetization, and referencing his own childhood prank calls to a runaway hotline.
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- Tim opens by asking Trevor Wallace about the epidemic of young white men dying by suicide and whether his art addresses it.
- Trevor jokes he has a ring light so suicidal young men can monetize their deaths with good lighting.
- Tim asks what method these kids are using, observing they always take the easy way out.
- Tim recalls prank calling the national runaway switchboard as a kid, asking shelters for locations specifically near parks.
- Tim notes Trevor is a young white man himself at 31 and asks why kids his age are checking out.
- Trevor argues young people get all their dopamine too early—going viral at 24 in a Miata, then having nothing left to do.
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- 3 min
Tim speculates about Trevor's future decline into darkness and cocaine in the valley, comparing his trajectory to David Dobrik, who peaked early with his Vlog Squad fame and pizzeria and has now faded.
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- Tim asks Trevor about his "back nine" — whether his life and career will get darker as he ages, hitting the valley.
- Trevor jokes about potentially getting into cocaine in the valley because there's nothing else to do out there.
- Scenario: drunk in a donut place, random guys recognize Trevor and harass him, he splashes coffee in their eyes and walks away.
- Tim calculates Trevor is on "hole number six" of his back nine with about three more years of viral relevance left.
- Dobrik now runs a pizzeria on Sunset Boulevard after being positioned to have it all.
- Tim says Dobrik came to his house and is a sweetheart, but it's cruel how quickly his peak passed.
- Trevor's special came out last year and he immediately wondered what comes next — that dopamine hit creates a void.
- Tim questions whether most people ending their lives have had Amazon specials — probably not.
- People without hope for a better future are at risk; influencers sometimes kill themselves too.
- 1 min
Tim and Trevor mock "Army influencers" doing dances and brand deals for gummies while claiming to be soldiers, arguing enemies would target them for being ridiculous.
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- American soldiers doing the Renegade with ring lights while doing brand deals for keto gummies would discourage enemy attacks.
- Tim defines an influencer as almost the closest equivalent to AI—a generic person with no personality whose entire existence is a conduit to sell crap online.
- There are AI influencers with 500k followers and OnlyFans pages that people subscribe to based purely on physical appearance.
- 2 min
Tim theorizes influencers are the closest thing to AI already, mocking female influencers who pretend fans ask about their skincare or hair when no one actually asked, and jokes about AI porn preferences.
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- Tim dislikes influencers who claim people ask them about skincare when nobody actually has.
- Influencers post daily about skincare routines while insisting they were asked about it.
- The "for those of you asking" format is fake — nobody actually asks where their dress came from.
- Conversation turns to AI-generated pornography and its advantages over static preferences.
- 3 min
Trevor and Tim discuss straight men having sex with trans women, joke about the shifting definition of "gay" no longer meaning same-sex attraction, and riff on kids being labeled queer in school polls.
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- Straight men are increasingly having sex with trans people, which Tim compares to Diddy's closeted behavior
- The definition of 'gay' has expanded to mean attraction to the same gender rather than the same sex, creating absurd overlaps
- People search 'what is gay now' constantly because the category has become so broad it's losing meaning
- Tim jokes that eventually everyone will be gay by the new definition, even straight married men
- Schools are labeling all kids as 'queer' based on arbitrary personality traits unrelated to sexuality
- Tim mentions his godson's experience at a private Montessori school he pays for, setting up a complaint about what the school did
- 2 min
The Preschool Abortion Doctor Role-Play Story
#Tim tells a wild anecdote about his three-year-old godson's Montessori school reportedly having kids role-play performing free abortions on indigenous dolls as a reward for good behavior.
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- Tim's godson's preschool gave kids a role-play activity where the best-behaved student gets to be the abortion doctor for indigenous dolls.
- The reward system: doing well earns gold stars and the privilege of performing abortions on dolls; misbehaving means sitting in the back and observing.
- Tim contrasts this with traditional school science—dissecting frogs—as the benchmark for what kids used to do instead.
- The dolls are explicitly indigenous because, according to the lesson, white women should pay for abortions themselves while indigenous women get them free due to systemic oppression.
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- 3 min
Tim jokingly pitches Trevor a talk show called "I Love Hitler," then riffs on Hollywood executives being noncommittal, and asks about Trevor's massive young fanbase and OnlyFans/porn star followers.
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- Dating a 350 lb Black woman would make your career take a real turn.
- Trevor pitched a show called "I Love Hitler" where different people say what they liked about Hitler — and nobody will make it.
- Trevor's already famous with porn stars loving him and a huge following on various apps, particularly with young audiences.
- Tim suggests Trevor could organize a Capitol riot with his 12-year-old hypebeast fans, sponsored by MrBeast handing out burgers.
- Some comedians with minor fanbases have been caught having sex with minors, leading to a question about Trevor's audience demographics.
- Tim's audience is made up of felons and dying individual men — the kind of solo men who are going to change the world.
- A good comedian has a male fanbase, which is the reality now.
- 2 min
Tim and Trevor discuss why comedy audiences skew male, argue women don't really love stand-up the way men do, and break down the demographics of Tim's own show as 80% male, intelligent, and darkly political.
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- Comedians don't have female fan bases because women aren't connoisseurs of great comedy.
- Tim questions whether women love comedy when they're young, suggesting they watch ten minutes and think they understand standup.
- Getting more women fans now, but the audience needs balance—guys feel intimidated when their girlfriends laugh at other comedians.
- The show's audience is 80% male because it's an intelligent show and most women care primarily about getting married and having babies.
- Women listeners prefer dating podcasts over his show because dating relates to partner selection, which matters more to them.
- Tim notes he's a gay guy doing a sociopolitical cultural show, so the women who listen have brains—about 99.8% of his female audience.
- He has radical non-binaries listening to the show, though the breakdown of that demographic is unclear.
- 2 min
They talk about the wild energy of Tim's crowd, praise each other's output and touring success, and joke about their podcasts (BLS and Sock) growing together.
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- Tim describes his typical audience vibe: dark comedy fans, lots of women, and sometimes intense people who grab him.
- The audience includes high-level CEO types who listen because Tim says things they can't say at work.
- Tim plays both sides politically while also yelling about figures like Tan Mojo, which appeals to his broad audience.
- Guest compliments Tim's video production and output, saying he consistently puts out high-quality content.
- Tim notes that both his and the guest's careers are taking off, with the podcast doing well and both touring heavily.
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They joke about doing a trans threesome behind a paywall, then discuss influencer Josh Richards being called an intellectual and his surprising debate with political scientist John Mearsheimer about Ukraine and NATO.
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- Tim describes a bro show's content strategy: threesomes behind a paywall versus a Hasbullah interview.
- He wants to see what influencers do at midnight when nobody's watching, not their on-camera personas.
- Tim calls Josh Richards an intellectual despite having dinner with him where Richards said one sentence and looked at his phone.
- Josh Richards debated John Mearsheimer, the political scientist, on Ukraine, with Richards taking the NATO State Department position.
- Tim questions the point of being an intellectual, saying it's just so you can tell people what is the point of knowing things.
- 2 min
Trevor describes his suburban upbringing in Camarillo, skimboarding and smoking weed as a teen, his parents' jobs, and Tim asks about him selling his LA home amid the town's decline and mudslides.
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- Tim describes Camarillo as a nowhere town—20 minutes from the beach with an outlet mall, where he spent eighth grade smoking weed and skimboarding.
- The donut shop where women could show their breasts to get free donuts, an arrangement that got the shop in trouble.
- Tim sold his LA house and got full price for it, though he's undecided about where he'll live next.
- The Hills area where his house was located faces ongoing problems with mudslides and geological instability.
- LA doesn't have the buzz it used to—driving down Sunset shows billboards everywhere but few people around.
- A town is only as good as the people who run it, and the ones who made LA were cocaine addicts and psychopaths.
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- 4 min
Tim delivers an extended riff on how Hollywood used to be run by coke-addict psychopath agents with balls, and how the industry has been replaced by corporate, autistic, risk-averse executives, killing the town's energy.
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- Tim describes modern Hollywood agents as fat, weird, and sexually pathetic compared to the old power brokers who actually made money.
- The current generation of agents represents the last crop of losers who will ever represent people in entertainment.
- Old-school risk-taker agents left Hollywood and are now trading Bitcoin in Miami because entertainment stopped being a business for people with balls.
- Hollywood filled with credentialed intellectuals who know corporate speak and office politics instead of actual risk-takers and cocaine-fueled producers.
- Everything in Hollywood is now corporate regurgitation and remakes; the industry has given up on originality.
- During the pandemic, TikTok kids became the new rulers of Hollywood because established actors retreated to avoid getting canceled.
- TikTok creators rose during the pandemic but never built anything of lasting value because the medium moves too fast.
- Young social media talent ages out quickly as their fans move on to college and relationships, creating diminishing returns for their careers.
- Tim questions whether pursuing television would slow down his career or help with longevity compared to podcasting and touring.
- 1 min
Tim jokingly mentions having dinner with RFK's VP pick under Chatham House Rules to "overthrow the government."
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- Tim says everything is correct and whatever happens, happens.
- 1 min
A sponsor read for Robin Hood Gold's IRA 3% match offer on contributions and transfers, good through April 30th.
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- Tim jokes about trying to overthrow the government with RFK as VP.
- Tim pivots to whether overthrowing the government might not work and he'd have to do something on Peacock instead.
- 2 min
Tim reads an ad for Morgan and Morgan, the injury law firm, touting their size, track record, and free-unless-they-win fee structure.
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- Tim questions what more he can say about the company while sitting in Arizona talking about injury law.
- Tim begs and pleads with listeners to use Morgan and Morgan, the largest injury law firm in America with over a hundred offices nationwide.
- If you get injured for any reason, the first thing you should do is call Morgan and Morgan immediately.
- Morgan and Morgan's fee is free unless they win your case.
- 2 min
Tim and Trevor discuss the SNL sketch group Please Don't Destroy and their movie's poor performance, then Tim riffs on nobody watching movies anymore, preferring to watch the Ukraine war, Gaza, and Haiti's "Barbecue" instead.
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- Tim likes Please Don't Destroy and thinks it's unfortunate SNL determines their career trajectory after the group released a movie that didn't perform well.
- Nobody watches movies anymore—people don't want to sit through Oppenheimer when MrBeast blows up a train in 13 seconds.
- Tim watches Ukraine war and Gaza for entertainment, shopping between conflicts like TV seasons, and pivoting to Haiti because a gang leader named Barbecue is burning people alive.
- The pandemic broke people's ability to suspend disbelief; knowing riots, government bailouts, and cop abandonment are real makes it hard to enjoy normal entertainment.
- Beverly Hills Cop 3 doesn't work because cops don't have the same reputation they did in the first two films, yet the studio won't address that reality.
- Tim questions whether a two-hour movie is still the format audiences will use to process and receive stories going forward.
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- 2 min
Tim pitches an absurd two-minute reboot of Beverly Hills Cop featuring a homeless woman giving birth outside the Beverly Wilshire, with Leslie Jones, Finn Wolfhard, and Sydney Sweeney.
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- Tim pitches a rewrite of Beverly Hills Cop opening with a homeless woman giving birth in front of the Beverly Wilshire Hotel.
- Tim wants Leslie Jones and Finn Wolfhard cast in the film, with Leslie yelling at the homeless woman about hotel prices.
- Sydney Sweeney enters the scene and saves the day topless, ending the two-minute film.
- The entire movie should be filmed on an iPhone in vertical format with Snapchat titles to feel authentic.
- Tim argues that modern comedy films have too much buildup and delay before reaching the punchlines—they should blow something up faster.
- Guest's mother was a food magazine writer and father sold Diamondback bikes.
- Tim asks about the guest's family background coming from Camaro and whether they visited LA as a kid.
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- 2 min
Trevor describes his straight-A sister who moved to New York, became a social worker, and took up smoking, plus family reactions to his fame including a drunk uncle at his New York show.
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- Trevor's sister is a chain-smoking social worker who got straight A's before moving to New York and picking up cigarettes.
- She rips cigarettes because of her job interviewing traumatized families, asking kids which bruises are new.
- She started taking improv classes when Tim's comedy career took off, convinced she could do it too.
- Tim's family members used to give him notes on his material, but only now that he's helped them financially are they on board.
- A drunken uncle from a New York show was waving random people from the crowd into the green room like he was Trey Songz.
- Long Island produces entitled people who feel they own everyone's time, space, and money.
- 5 min
They discuss the new Max documentary exposing Dan Schneider's behavior at Nickelodeon, Drake Bell's allegations, Amanda Bynes' decline, and joke darkly about the abuse and corporate structures that enabled it.
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- The Quiet on Set documentary exposes Dan Schneider and Nickelodeon abuse
- Tim proposes AI kids as the solution to child exploitation in entertainment
- Amanda Bynes spotted on the street in Vancouver with a face tattoo and buzzcut
- Dan Schneider's future plan was kids, and AI and robots are the answer
- Knowing about exploitation makes viewers suspicious of all children's programming
- The worst part is Schneider and others made genuinely great TV shows
- Good television is not worth children getting raped, but what's the alternative
- Creative positions require people with some instability rather than normies
- Dan Schneider's obsession with feet appeared throughout his shows and photos
- On iCarly, Schneider had children send in photos of their feet
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- 1 min
Tim and Trevor riff on Dan Schneider's foot fetish allegedly influencing Nickelodeon's foot-shaped logo and kids sending in foot photos to the network.
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- One guy's foot fetish literally became a Nickelodeon network.
- Tim describes the pitch: "If you have weird toes please send it to us."
- The show probably wasn't even on air when this happened, and now there's talk of a reboot.
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Tim and Trevor watch and mock a mock/real interview clip of Dan Schneider addressing the allegations, joking about his non-apology, the massage comments, and his defense about writers' rooms and kids needing therapists.
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- Tim notes this is Dan Schneider's first tweet in five years, breaking his silence.
- Tim jokes that Schneider's apology interview should have happened on Joe Rogan, where they'd discuss how great Austin is instead.
- Schneider claims watching the documentary was difficult and says he owes people apologies for his past behavior.
- Tim finds it surreal that Schneider is apologizing for giving massages to crew members on set.
- No PR team advised Schneider to do this interview—he's trying to shoot down an asteroid of bad publicity before it hits.
- Schneider starts apologetic but eventually shifts to defending himself, a pattern Tim predicts will continue.
- Schneider pivots to highlighting that his shows featured Black actors, claiming he's proud of his diversity record.
- Tim jokes that Schneider's strategy is to become a 'woke pedophile,' positioning himself as more progressive than racist abusers.
- Schneider suggests parents hire therapists to prepare their kids for being on his shows, a solution Tim mocks as absurd.
- Tim and his guest discuss feet fetishes and the bizarre commitment it would take to build an entire network around foot imagery.
- Tim concludes that things are not looking good for Schneider despite his attempted image rehabilitation.
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A short bit imagining Dan Schneider running as RFK Jr.'s VP, having 'addressed his problems' and gotten a therapist.
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- Tim pitches Dan Schneider as RFK's VP pick, saying he runs the campaign to reach the children.
- Dan has addressed all his previous problems — he got a therapist, lost weight, and resolved his joint pain issues.
- Now when kids come in, their therapists will ask if they want Dan to touch them, which Tim presents as the solution to his past behavior.
- 2 min
Tim reads an ad for Factor meals, touting the convenience, variety, and cost savings compared to takeout, with a promo code.
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- Tim claims he did the math and determined Factor is less expensive than takeout, citing his $2,800 single meal expense at Nobu for three people.
- Extrapolating his takeout spending to a weekly cost, Tim calculates $30,000 per week on food, making Factor significantly cheaper by comparison.
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They joke about child actors being pushed by parents, Tim's own minor acting role getting his head cut off in an Eli Roth movie, and Trevor's small part in a film with Bill Burr, mocking how little anyone cares about these movies.
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- Tim says acting training from childhood makes kids insane because they haven't had normal friendships.
- He appeared in Drugstore Junkie as a vape store employee, in a scene with Bad Baby Danielle Boli.
- Modern comedy movies have stopped being funny, and Tim would rather join a revolutionary struggle than be in films like Drugstore Junkie.
- Comedy films can't work anymore unless a comedian makes it independently without studio notes from unfunny executives.
- Studios now promote people who went to Wesleyan and worked in ad sales to head their comedy departments.
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Tim argues comedy movies fail now because unfunny former ad-sales executives control creative notes, denying comedians full autonomy.
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- Comics need full autonomy to do funny material, or it won't actually be funny.
- 3 min
Trevor and Tim compare notes on having stalkerish fans, including women showing up repeatedly at hotels, and Tim discusses the portion of his conspiracy-minded audience he believes is schizophrenic.
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- Tim has stalkerish fans who scare him a little bit — both men and women.
- The scary part is it's excessive — too many messages, too many gifts, just too much.
- Tim gives security a heads-up about certain fans and asks them to watch for specific people at shows.
- Tim issues a blanket apology to his stalkers, telling them if they're uncomfortable they should get a therapist.
- He gets mentally unwell people sending him stuff, particularly from audiences interested in conspiracies and alternative ideas.
- Tim believes roughly 10% of the country is schizophrenic now, and that portion of his audience hears his voice repeatedly.
- Women have also shown up to his events — a couple of crazy women who somehow find his shows or house.
- One woman sat in the lobby of his New York City hotel every single day, showing up with no food and just a gun.
- 2 min
Trevor plugs his tour, website, and Sock Podcast with Michael Blaustein, they joke once more about Dan Schneider's fetish empire, and Tim closes out mentioning his Royal Albert Hall show before signing off.
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- Tim explains how his tour schedule makes him visible to fans wherever he travels, creating a unique dynamic for stalking opportunities.
- The goal would be to own a place in New York and do the bi-coastal thing when needed, though Tim gets bored easily and needs to jump around.
- Tim complains about his neighborhood: all his neighbors are old, one guy rakes the street every single day, which Tim reads as a sign the marriage isn't going well.
- Trevor Wallace's tour dates are at trevorwallacecomedy.com and he's on all socials; he also co-hosts Sock Podcast with Michael Blin.
- Tim's Royal Albert Hall show is April 7th; he says there are other tour dates listed but refuses to read them because he doesn't care.
- Trevor thanks Tim for having him, says he loves the show and appreciates the opportunity to record together despite their schedules rarely aligning.
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