Episode 135 · The GaS Digital / Ray Kump Era
Kurt Metzger
with Kurt Metzger
Feb 16, 2019 · 1:17:20 · 25 segments, 174 moments indexed
- 2 min
Podcasts vs. the Attention Economy, and Rogan's Rise
#Tim and Kurt discuss discovering Joe Rogan's interview skills, the shift from TV to podcasts, and how the attention economy has changed comedy and media consumption.
3moments
- 0:38Rogan has a great interview style and goes into areas other people don't explore.
- 1:02Tim explains why podcasts now need to be visual to catch attention in the modern media landscape.
- 1:22The shift toward an 'attention economy' in comedy and media.
- 3 min
Hollywood Nepotism and the Feudal System of Fame
#They compare Hollywood careers to feudal patronage systems, discussing agents and managers who are mostly rich kids and nephews, and how independent podcasting lets people bypass gatekeepers.
6moments
- 1:48Most successful people build their own fan bases through podcasts, creating audiences that can't be removed by Hollywood gatekeepers.
- 2:11Tim argues that many people won't come forward about abuse because they fear losing their jobs in the industry.
- 2:34The relationship between powerful people and their servants mirrors the madness of King George—loyalty rewarded with betrayal once usefulness ends.
- 3:08Podcasts allow comedians to escape the feudal system of traditional comedy writing, where you serve at the pleasure of a wealthy patron like the Medici backing artists in Florence.
- 3:41Successful people inevitably build orbits of subordinates around them, functioning like minor nobility with their own courts of staff and hangers-on.
- 4:14Building your own platform means you no longer need to depend on family connections or established industry families controlling your career path.
- 4 min
Kyle Dunnigan, Rogan's Legitimacy, and Media Consolidation
#Discussion of Kyle Dunnigan and comedy central deals, praise for Rogan's sophistication versus his 'frat boy' reputation, and how legacy media consolidation and copy-paste journalism produce distorted news narratives.
8moments
- 4:30Every agent or manager is somebody's nephew or son, and most are rich kids who can't work in finance or tech.
- 5:05Kyle Dunnigan puts his comedy online and is one of the funniest people, but signed a deal with Comedy Central despite already having a large following.
- 5:40Rogan was always working on projects, but mainstream media treated him like a jock rather than recognizing his sophistication.
- 6:18The dismissals from rich kid cool clubs are a workaround that independent platforms like Rogan's podcast have solved.
- 6:32Tim believes the future belongs to creators who grew up with internet platforms, not people groomed by traditional networks like Comedy Central.
- 6:55He grew up sneaking downstairs to watch Letterman, when TV was everything and getting on television was the ultimate goal.
- 7:12Media consolidation means four or five companies own nearly everything, yet Rogan's podcast has become large enough that it makes news and can't be easily smeared.
- 7:46Lazy journalists regurgitate the same stories from each other online, leading to coordinated false narratives like the ones about Jussie Smollett.
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- 3 min
Covington, Bill Maher, and Militant Atheists Who Never Suffered Religion
#They discuss the Nathan Phillips/Covington hoax, debate Bill Maher's Religulous, and Tim argues people who never experienced religion (like militant atheists) don't understand deeply held beliefs or the appeal of keeping love/forgiveness while ditching dogma.
10moments
- 7:59Tim on the Nathan Phillips Covington incident being called a hoax.
- 8:26Tim says Bill Maher seems like a guy who would say offensive things, but at least he has consistent values.
- 8:41Maher's anti-religious show is entertaining but not a good argument against Christianity.
- 8:57Maher would never smirk at a Native American the way he smirks at Christians.
- 9:10Hitchens wrote well about religion; Dawkins didn't understand it the way Hitchens did.
- 9:27People who never experienced religion don't understand it and might actually benefit from having had some.
- 9:38Tim argues that rejecting religion entirely has left people immature and tribal.
- 9:56Camille Paglia observed that atheists unprepared for deeply held beliefs get steamrolled by them.
- 10:23Tim spent twenty years in religion and earned his right to reject it, unlike atheists who adopted only the bad parts.
- 11:05Tim asks audience members if Saddam Hussein could be in heaven to make a point about religious thinking.
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- 2 min
Arguing With a Militant Atheist About Weinstein's Enablers
#Tim recounts an argument about why people around Harvey Weinstein didn't quit their jobs despite knowing, and mocks the naive idea that Hollywood rewards good behavior, tying into improv culture's moral posturing.
10moments
- 11:27Girl says there's no heaven; Tim replies, "Not with that attitude there isn't."
- 11:38Tim argues with a militant atheist about Weinstein's enablers and whether they would have quit if they'd known the truth.
- 11:58Tim explains how institutions actually work and why people don't just leave despite moral objections.
- 12:12People in Weinstein's orbit have families and lives at stake—they're not choosing between morality and a paycheck in a vacuum.
- 12:27Tim mocks the idea that Hollywood is some kind of reward system for good behavior.
- 12:44Tim jokes he's glad he didn't start improv after reading some flyer about dressing up like a girl.
- 12:58Tim identifies improvisers as public school teachers from bad areas who do comedy because they have the patience for chaos.
- 13:09As a kid Tim was the class jerk; now he's older but still feels like that same person, just recognizing it differently.
- 13:20Teachers who fancy themselves the funny one get deeply hurt when actual troublemakers mouth off with seventh-grade jokes.
- 13:38His job as a comedian isn't to teach—it's to disrupt, and the harmless part of it makes that okay.
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- 3 min
Bombing at a Casino Show and the Seal-Rape Article
#Kurt recounts a rough casino gig where he bombed after getting cocky, then Tim brings up a bizarre article about seals raping penguins, riffing on animals covering up their crimes.
6moments
- 14:39Tim bombed badly at a casino show by trying out a new joke, admitting it was a rookie mistake born of overconfidence.
- 14:54Seals in the Arctic are now raping penguins, a fact discovered through sources like Cracked articles about animal behavior.
- 15:09People have been covering up animal crimes for years to prevent public backlash against endangered species like pandas.
- 15:30Tim's eighth-grade German teacher taught him about seal clubbing and made it seem like his generation bore responsibility for the practice.
- 16:00The teacher explained that seal clubbers kill baby seals to death in front of their mothers as part of the sealing industry.
- 16:21The way the teacher framed seal clubbing made Tim feel implicated in the crime, as if his inaction as a kid made him complicit.
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- 2 min
Kurt tells a long story about his eighth-grade German teacher lecturing about baby seal clubbing, and how he and his friend Kevin nearly died laughing while classmate Carlos got publicly shamed for laughing too.
8moments
- 16:44Tim's ex-girlfriend yelled at him about baby seals being clubbed, and he found it absurdly funny.
- 17:00They lived a thousand miles from any seals or penguins, so the passionate lecture felt performative to a kid.
- 17:26Tim knew if he looked at his friend Kevin across the room, he would lose it and get in serious trouble.
- 17:40Kevin's face turned bright red with suppressed laughter, one nostril fluttering, trying to hide it from the teacher.
- 18:01Another kid named Carlos in the class saw them laughing and started cracking up too from the infectious nature of it.
- 18:26The teacher finally noticed but only saw Carlos laughing, not Tim and Kevin who were closer and worse off.
- 18:41She called other teachers from the hallway to shame Carlos for thinking baby seal clubbing was funny.
- 18:55Comedy isn't necessarily a mature response, though mature comedy tends to be darker from seeing more shit in life.
- 3 min
Diversity Casting, Genius Like Sacha Baron Cohen, and Withnail and I
#They discuss forced representation in writers' rooms, Sacha Baron Cohen's rare comedic genius, the British film Withnail and I, and class themes in Cohen's work.
7moments
- 19:31Why isn't the cast more diverse, especially in kids' shows.
- 19:50A black comic from the 90s left because he was only given black characters to write.
- 20:24There are very few genuine geniuses in entertainment, and Sacha Baron Cohen is one of them.
- 21:09Withnail and I is a great film that couldn't be made today, similar to Blazing Saddles.
- 21:27It's one of the best-written things ever made, dealing with themes of class and race from a UK perspective.
- 21:54Tim doesn't care where talent comes from, as long as it makes him laugh like Sacha Baron Cohen's special does.
- 22:10Everyone's interested in diversity, but you don't need to announce it constantly.
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- 3 min
Kurt talks about writing for Sacha Baron Cohen's show, the strength of his characters like Billy Wayne Ruddick, and how the targets' obliviousness makes the bits work.
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- 22:28Working on Who Is America was fun because Sacha Baron Cohen really delivers the jokes you write for him.
- 22:50Tim was doing an unscripted pilot the same week Who Is America came out and felt intimidated watching how good the show was.
- 23:21The writers on the show had great independent projects that sounded more original and accessible than most network comedy.
- 23:58Sacha's characters are so good and funny that they make Tim laugh more than the situations they're in.
- 24:28Tim doesn't like prank shows where the targets are portrayed as despicable and nine-tenths of people; worst case should just be looking silly.
- 24:46Season two might not happen because the targets know what to expect now and won't take the same risks with their careers.
- 25:01The guests never know they're being pranked—if they have any inkling, they get the fuck out immediately.
- 25:24Tim came in on a show the writers had been developing for like twenty years and had figured out a whole process he didn't need to understand.
- 25:36His job was just to write jokes and let the production team handle where the guests came from and everything else.
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- 3 min
Discussion of a strong improv moment with a Republican interview subject and the disturbing, unresolved story about a man who allegedly promised to set up a Cohen character with a child, which went to the FBI.
6moments
- 26:12Tim praises the Berkeley professor character (Naira Cain) and the creative process of writing for that bit.
- 26:28They were trying to write the most infuriating higher education stereotype, with the Berkeley professor as a foil to Billy Wayne Ruddick.
- 26:46The Berkeley professor's response to his son's pornography: he made him masturbate to over 100,000 images on the device over three days until the kid was dehydrated and crying.
- 27:14The professor's calm reply to criticism: 'I don't think it's a very good way to punish him.'
- 27:29Someone at a sketch allegedly offered to set up the Gio Minaldo character with a kid, promising to arrange a date.
- 27:52The FBI received reports about the alleged pedophile ring from the sketches, but Tim suspects nothing came of it.
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- 4 min
Aging Out of New York and Bombing at Governor's on Long Island
#Kurt discusses leaving New York's stress behind for LA, wanting to build his own podcast/show rather than write for others, and a rough set at Governor's in Long Island in front of demanding retired cops.
6moments
- 28:32Tim wouldn't stay in New York even with unlimited money, citing the need to escape winters and constant fight-or-flight stress.
- 29:03Moving to L.A. meant fewer comedy spots, but Tim was tired and didn't care about working constantly anymore.
- 29:27Starting a podcast now to build something that's his own, rather than continuing to write for other people's projects.
- 30:23Tim's advice: if you want to become a writer, never fill a room—just bomb really badly.
- 30:49Tim did 34 minutes total that night, though the other shows of the weekend went great.
- 31:31Playing casino rooms can be hard and difficult because you never know who's showing up, but Tim actually likes the room itself.
- 3 min
The Seal-Rape Video Deep Dive and Necrophiliac Penguins
#Tim and Kurt go deeper into the seal-penguin-rape footage, joke about scientific caution in describing it, and riff on a fake headline about the story.
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- 31:53Multiple penguin rape videos exist from three different angles, establishing a pattern.
- 32:18Tim theorizes that penguins are necrophiliacs who rape dead penguin bodies.
- 32:37The seal clubbing story connects to animal behavior—maybe some of them had it coming.
- 32:48Tim describes the penguin-seal video as disturbing, hitting every earmark except a pinball machine.
- 33:04Content warnings for bestiality videos acknowledge a small percentage of viewers will enjoy the material and search for more.
- 33:30Tim's joke about seal genius finding a use for penguin lost his audience and killed the vibe.
- 33:53The crowd wanted relatable content like punching his wife, not penguin necrophilia tangents.
- 34:11Tim needed those awkward moments—they come regularly and at least he can mark when the casino killed things.
- 4 min
Reading the Room and America's Rotic Accent History
#Kurt explains the skill of reading a crowd before pushing new material, then they veer into a tangent about how American accents preserved older rhotic pronunciation while British aristocracy drifted into a new posh accent that trickled down.
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- 34:26Tim describes bombing a fourth show after three great headlining sets because he gets cocky and loses the audience's trust.
- 35:10Bobby Collins advised him to be in the moment and let the audience come to him rather than going at them too hard.
- 35:43Crowds at Governor's in Long Island, where Tim grew up, are demanding retired cops who won't give him the benefit of the doubt.
- 36:21The country feels fractured and politically crazy now, but the political tension is boring compared to how it used to feel interesting.
- 36:38Everyone online talks about heading toward civil war, but Tim points out it'll only ever be online because millennials can't actually do anything.
- 36:57In real life, nobody cares about the political division unless you live in coastal cities like LA or New York.
- 37:13Coastal elites create the new cool trends that trickle down through the entire food chain of culture.
- 37:24Tim explains that during Revolutionary times, Americans spoke with a "Rotic" accent, pronouncing Rs clearly, which was closer to American than British.
- 37:44British royals and the upper class started adopting a more regal accent with sounds like Castilian Spanish that eventually became the standard.
- 38:07Americans didn't lose a British accent—the British lost their American accent by adopting a different trend, which is why modern royal accents split off.
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- 2 min
Why Everyone Thinks They Could Do Stand-Up
#Riff on people who claim they could do comedy, the illusion of behind-the-scenes access making audiences feel entitled to comedians' lives, and the resentment of those who never tried it.
7moments
- 38:33Tim got into stand-up thinking he could do it, like an obnoxious person.
- 38:51Tim dismisses the idea that he cares whether friends or anyone else tries stand-up.
- 39:09Nobody wants new comedians in the industry—it's already crowded.
- 39:23What matters is whether someone is actually funny, which naturally gravitates people like a lighthouse.
- 39:39Culture and comedy trickle down from upper-class taste-makers to the rest of society.
- 40:00Showing the process of stand-up too much makes people think they understand it and could do it themselves.
- 40:12They resent comedians' positions based on an imagined version of the job they've never actually tried.
- 4 min
Hell, Heaven, and Hannah Gadsby's 'Nanette'
#Tim riffs on why Jehovah's Witnesses want there to be a hell so they can watch sinners burn, ties it to hack comedians needing spiritual superiority, then tears into Hannah Gadsby's Nanette as overrated and poorly argued.
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- 40:46Tim argues with Baptists about why they insist on hell existing when scriptures don't clearly support it.
- 41:03The appeal of heaven believing you get to watch sinners burn—people without joy wanting to see others suffer.
- 41:47Tim dismisses Hannah Gadsby's 'Nanette,' saying her points are terrible and dates a 17-year-old.
- 42:29Nick Mullen's joke: what if 'Nanette' is only a trailer and no one's actually seen the full thing.
- 43:02Many comedians have suffered terrible things and make jokes about it—you can't have dignity and be a clown.
- 43:20Gadsby's speech about women deciding where the line is was gibberish, like her women in Hollywood talk.
- 43:31The camera cuts to black attendees to show diversity while they're actually reacting with discomfort to her speech.
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- 3 min
Jeffrey Tambor's Transparent Speech and Amy Schumer's Diversity Comment
#Discussion of the awkward Joffrey Owens Trader Joe's viral redemption story, Jeffrey Tambor's self-congratulatory Emmys speech about playing a trans woman, and Amy Schumer's hollow diversity remark on Ellen.
6moments
- 44:07Joffrey Owens worked at Trader Joe's after falling on hard times, then got cast in a Tyler Perry project and received applause at a SAG event.
- 44:49Tim thinks it's weird to celebrate an actor simply for returning to acting after a rough patch.
- 45:36Jeffrey Tambor won an Emmy for Transparent and gave a speech saying if he were the last cis man to play a trans woman, he wouldn't be sad.
- 45:54Tim compares Tambor's statement to Al Jolson saying he'd be fine if blackface was eliminated—both claiming virtue from abandoning work they profited from.
- 46:11Amy Schumer told Ellen she wished a woman of color could have played the lead in her new movie.
- 46:29The movie Schumer made is about a comic who gets hit on the head and experiences surreal situations, not a vehicle for explicit political messaging.
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- 4 min
Patrice O'Neal's Dragon's Mouth Metaphor and Jill Soloway's Emmy Speech
#Tim recounts Patrice O'Neal explaining showbiz as a dragon's mouth you're trapped in, then applies it to Jill Soloway's 'fight the patriarchy' Emmy speech as fake rebellion within the system.
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- 47:56Tim used to make certain jokes but now sees the jokes themselves as the problem.
- 48:22Patrice O'Neal explained the entertainment business as being inside a dragon's mouth—a trap designed to control you.
- 48:38Jill Soloway's Emmy acceptance speech featured her in Doctor Who attire and bolo tie, yelling about fighting the patriarchy.
- 49:01Tim interprets Soloway's Emmy as a dragon tooth—she's holding a symbol of the fortunes of rich men while the system's sharp edges threaten to impale her if she steps wrong.
- 49:19Tim argues that the system doesn't care about the political message because it's fundamentally controlled by people who profit from the performance, not the cause.
- 49:41A finance friend told Tim that people with net worths over $100 million are noticeably different in a way that suggests an almost different species of human.
- 2 min
Rich People Are Different: The $100 Million Net Worth Theory
#A friend's theory that people worth over $100 million are fundamentally different, applied to Kevin Hart's business savvy and the performative gratitude expected of comeback stories like the Cosby show actor's grocery store redemption.
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- 50:18Kevin Hart was the first comedian Tim started with, a naturally obvious businessman who didn't fundamentally change despite fame.
- 50:41The only thing that changes is the PR fluff—the Mario Lopez smile, the forced excitement about everything for cameras.
- 51:00Tim expresses discomfort watching rescued underdogs forced to perform their little dance for the industry instead of just being allowed to act.
- 51:35Modern celebrities are like human AIDS ribbons that the establishment pins on their lapels for appearance.
- 52:09Twitter and these platforms are profit-driven companies that ban people only when media firestorms threaten their bottom line, not for ideological reasons.
- 52:34Tech companies use the same logic as the music industry did decades ago—putting white faces on albums instead of Black artists to maximize profit.
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- 3 min
Deplatforming Alex Jones as Pure Corporate Cowardice
#Tim argues tech companies ban controversial figures only when it threatens profits, comparing it to old record labels hiding Black artists from album covers, then discusses money and addiction with Kurt.
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- 52:43Tim explains the "coward reasoning" behind deplatforming and corporate profit motives driving decisions.
- 53:12Tim compares his addiction to Oxycontin to how money itself might function as an addiction for wealthy people.
- 53:22Patrice O'Neal's bit about not understanding money, and how some people have an art for interfacing with wealth and opportunity.
- 53:59Tim distinguishes between standups who work for their success and people who succeed by having the right opinions, package, and connections.
- 54:33Tim jokes about potentially having kids only if he "Anthony Bourdains" them at the last minute without college obligations.
- 55:06The guest notes Tim's willingness to die being right and fight the battle, describing it as being a "loose cannon" that's bad for production.
- 55:29Guest asks whether having kids would force Tim to sometimes shut up and not be right.
- 4 min
Growing Up in a Marginal Religion and Rejecting Thought Control
#Kurt discusses his Jehovah's Witness upbringing, wanting to be marginalized and right, and his pathological resistance to thought control and being disfellowshipped, contrasted with not needing to always be right himself.
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- 55:53Tim says his commitment to articulating his truth isn't noble—it's compulsive, stemming from long-standing mental problems.
- 56:14He felt obligated to shape his circumstances of birth into something people would enjoy for reasons beyond where he came from.
- 56:46The term POC is so empty and dignified-sounding it's basically a system designed to help people avoid uncomfortable conversations.
- 57:11Tim predicts POC will become a word that gets you fired in 15 years, the same way other terms were abandoned once people figured out what they really meant.
- 57:52Modern gatekeepers figured out a new way to get an A by making a horrible system that attracts desperate creatures willing to comply.
- 58:21In the 90s there was a school of thought about individuality—sayings like if he jumped off a bridge would you, marching to your own drum—that's now been completely rejected.
- 58:40Tim grew up in a marginal religion where they wanted to be marginalized on purpose because they had the truth and everyone else was wrong.
- 58:59He doesn't have that kind of confidence anymore; if he's wrong, he's fine with being corrected.
- 59:13Tim has a pathological issue with thought control or anyone saying this is all there is to it, especially with threats of disfellowshipping for non-compliance.
- 59:25It's not courage that drives his rejection—it's spite.
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- 5 min
The Duggars, Chaos, and Growing Up With a Schizophrenic Mother
#Tim discusses cyclical generational rebellion, the creepy Quiverfull Duggar family, and opens up about his chaotic upbringing with a schizophrenic mother and being closeted, tying it to needing control versus comfort with chaos.
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- 1:00:07The Duggar family's Quiverful cult was founded by a creepy guy and a former radical feminist turned radical Christian.
- 1:00:33Tim grew up in chaos with a schizophrenic mother and spent years as a closeted gay man lying to everyone.
- 1:00:56People who need the world arranged aren't actually uncomfortable with chaos—they need control to feel powerful.
- 1:01:38The Soviet Union broke eggs forever while promising an omelet that never arrived.
- 1:02:04A civil war over communism would happen before a race war, but those in power making money won't allow either.
- 1:02:32The next generation rebels by simply becoming the opposite political spectrum, like they always do.
- 1:02:54YouTube's algorithm only feeds you more of what you already watched, trapping you in the same arguments.
- 1:03:34Tim watches random shit like hacky salesman conferences and Islamic fundamentalist preachers just to escape the algorithm.
- 1:04:23Popular clips and bits eventually die out because the business model can't sustain once everyone involved has to age.
- 1:04:49Nobody will have the energy to care about tweets forever.
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- 5 min
YouTube Algorithms, Fart Tweets, and White Privilege to Not Care
#Riff on breaking YouTube's algorithm by watching bizarre unrelated content, tweets being as meaningless as farts, and a bit about 'white privilege' being the luxury of not caring about outrage culture.
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- 1:05:38Tim describes not caring about controversies as white privilege, noting Black people have to care about things that get spread on Fortune and Reddit.
- 1:06:14New York's forced diversity—people living on top of each other—prevented the kind of insular liberal bullshit you see now.
- 1:06:42Gentrification allows people to bring their suburban worldview wherever they go instead of being tethered to reality.
- 1:07:16You handle cat calling by making eye contact and saying hello—they're testing if you're stuck up, not necessarily being violent.
- 1:07:48Tim recounts being an adult in his 20s when someone rubbed their penis on his face, arguing he was old enough to have agency without claiming consent.
- 1:08:20Fundamentalist religious authority structures—where you can't question the hierarchy—create conditions for child abuse.
- 1:09:04The left's version of unquestionable authority involves treating protected groups as infallible—everyone is strong and brave and the words become meaningless.
- 1:09:19Both extreme liberal parenting and hardcore conservative parenting result in kids getting abused at high rates.
- 1 min
Remembering Patrice O'Neal's Death
#A brief, sincere exchange about how comedy lost something irreplaceable when Patrice O'Neal died.
2moments
- 1:09:37Tim reflects on what comedy lost after Patrice O'Neal's death
- 1:09:57A guy you don't get to talk to again — Patrice was phenomenal
- 7 min
Kurt discusses relaunching his podcast without a name yet, wanting hangout-style conversations with non-comedians, and riffs on becoming a 'Woke Hulk' character who sees oppressive structures everywhere.
7moments
- 1:11:26Tim jokes about going full woke as a podcast character, like a reverse Jamie Kilstein transformation.
- 1:12:11Under stress, Tim becomes 'woke Kurt'—a Hulk-like transformation where his glasses fog up and he suddenly sees oppressive structures everywhere.
- 1:13:57People who impersonate comedians on Twitter are a despicable but interesting breed, Tim notes.
- 1:14:25Tim expresses fascination with con artists ready to scam at ground zero the day after 9/11, calling them an interesting type of person.
- 1:15:12Molyneux trolled in hilarious ways that Tim found funny, though some people got genuinely angry at him.
- 1:16:11Tim compares envious unfunny people to the villain in Amadeus—they lack the ability to do what talented people do and resent it.
- 1:16:38Antagonism between funny friends works because they were marginalized together, not because comedy is a respectable field.
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- 1 min
Kurt plugs his upcoming Hyenas Plano, Texas shows and website, and they wrap up the episode.
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- 1:17:12Tim tells listeners to check out the guest's podcast once it's named.