Episode 126 · The GaS Digital / Ray Kump Era
No Fat Nazis
Dec 14, 2018 · 1:10:13 · 26 segments, 156 moments indexed
- 1 min
Show open with jingle and network ID, transition into the episode with Ray Kump.
1moment
- 0:05Opening announcement: 'Tim Dillon is going to hell!'
- 5 min
Kill Tony and the Comedy Store Grind
#Tim and Ray discuss Kill Tony, Tony Hinchcliffe's show at the Comedy Store where aspiring comics do a minute in front of a tough crowd, Ray's own appearance and near-riot moment, the difference between doing a minute versus longer sets, and comparisons between LA and New York comedy scenes and audiences.
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- 1:22Kill Tony format: aspiring comedians do a minute in front of a packed room at the Comedy Store while people try to shred them.
- 2:04If you don't have a good minute, what are you even doing in comedy?
- 2:28Tim insists he could execute a minute-long set with no doubt whatsoever in front of 300 people.
- 2:54His opening 45 seconds at the winery were phenomenal, but he abandoned the approach too quickly.
- 3:28The best performer that night was kind of a hack, which tells you what that crowd actually wanted.
- 4:03Raised comedy is not hack at all—it's unique and some of it's very funny.
- 4:42A minute is harder than five minutes; Tim would feel more comfortable doing ten or even just going straight to his college joke.
- 5:18The Comedy Store's three rooms sell out every night with hundreds of comedy fans, many of them wealthy, famous, and good-looking.
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Comedy Store Wealth and Fame Trio
#Brief riff on the wealthy, famous, good-looking crowd at the Comedy Store versus New York's more modest audience.
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- 5:46Tim explains he holds onto a fifty-dollar bill and has never asked comedians for money despite going to the Comedy Store
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Begging Audience Members for Money and a Hated Kill Tony Set
#They joke about asking complimenting audience members for money, then discuss a memorably disastrous comic who got destroyed on Kill Tony and still thanked them afterward.
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- 5:53Tim describes the bit: compliment a comic after their set, then ask them for money.
- 6:13Audience members who compliment comedians deserve to get shredded in response.
- 6:23One Kill Tony performer was told he was one of the most hated people in the show's history.
- 6:36Tim's specific insult to that comic: 'You seem like a drug dealer who forgets the weed.'
- 6:56The hated performer came up after the show claiming it was a really special night and he loves Tim.
- 2 min
Debasement, Agents, and the Kill Tony Format Explained
#Discussion of comedians debasing themselves for a shot at representation, how the Kill Tony lottery format works, and the cultural difference between LA comics flexing wealth versus New York's grittier, more grounded comedy scene.
8moments
- 7:21Tim acknowledges comedians should be willing to take lumps for the sake of comedy.
- 7:44The indignities pursued in comedy are hard to explain to people and never end.
- 8:04Some comedians do Kill Tony ten years into their careers because agents in the back of the room might sign them if they kill.
- 8:21Tim clarifies they weren't shitting on the comics; they were trying to be funny and probe for stories.
- 8:37How Kill Tony actually works: all comics put their names in a hat, sit on one side, and get pulled out as the show goes on.
- 8:53Whether a comic murders it or bombs, the hosts riff and try to have fun, with no guarantee of representation even if you kill.
- 9:19LA comics pull up in Audis and Porsches while New York comics just walk down the street, but New York probably has better comedians overall.
- 9:32A guy walking in New York wearing Louis Vuitton is an amazing comedian, not a bad one.
- 3 min
New York vs LA, Moving Plans, and the Coming Recession
#Tim riffs on New York's gritty charm versus LA's flashy 'richer and better looking than you' comedy, his ambivalence about moving to LA given his New York apartment and touring life, and worries about an impending economic downturn making new overhead risky.
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- 9:49New York is gothic like a hotel, LA is more like a rogue — there's no base for star power in LA.
- 10:14Everything in LA is next to a Rite Aid or something shitty, whereas New York's dirt and filth keeps comedians funny and grounded.
- 10:25LA comedy is a genre of 'I'm richer and better looking than you' — meme comedy — that gets greeted with silence in New York.
- 10:36Tim argues the New York audience is more sophisticated than the LA audience.
- 10:55Every time he goes to LA he thinks about moving there, but he stays in New York because he has people to stay with and keeps a cheap apartment.
- 11:17Tim doesn't know what's happening with the economy and thinks everything might crash in the next year.
- 11:34He won't take on more overhead right now because a recession could leave him holding two properties.
- 12:09His road work is mostly Northeast and Midwest, not much West Coast.
- 12:26Tim's New York agent has better relationships on the East Coast and Midwest, making him an easier sell in those areas than on the West Coast.
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Booking Territory: Northeast, Midwest, and Ethnic Comedy Booking
#Tim explains his agent is New York-based so he plays more Northeast/Midwest rooms, riffing on how comedians of different ethnicities get booked into matching regional markets.
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- 12:55Tim explains that a Hispanic comedian with a West Coast agent would naturally book more rooms in New Mexico and Arizona, while he as an Irish guy works Boston territory.
- 13:10Tim jokes about taking blood tests to find Hispanic ancestry and get into those rooms.
- 5 min
The Columbia Physics Student's 'We Built the Modern World' Rant
#Discussion of Julian von Abele, a Columbia physics student who went viral for a rant claiming Europeans built the modern world, including his alt-right fanbase buying his physics book; Tim and Ray riff by parodying the rant themselves and debate whether white people invented civilization, colonialism, and exploitation.
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- 13:20Physics major at Columbia went on a rant about Europeans building the modern world.
- 13:50Tim notes the student's name, Julian Von Abellie, is a perfect alt-right name.
- 14:22Video plays: student rants that Europeans invented science, industry, and saved billions from starvation.
- 15:05Tim compares the student's performance favorably to Ray's bombing at a winery gig with a Black audience.
- 15:38Tim recalls a stand-up bit about nationalism where the comedian says he didn't invent anything, just got drunk.
- 16:13Student is clearly drunk and making his point with no nuance.
- 16:56Tim argues the claim that only white people invented useful things is insane, citing algebra from Baghdad.
- 17:21The last thousand years of Western civilization were built on exploitation, mercantilism, slavery, and colonialism.
- 18:07Tim notes that nobody has done enough work to dismantle the systems of oppression white people put in place.
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- 3 min
Nazi Aesthetics, the Charlottesville Guy, and 'Procuring Women'
#Tim and Ray joke about the Columbia student's 'twink' Nazi aesthetic, riff on what would happen to weak alt-right men in a natural/primal world, and joke about 'procuring' women from Nazi men in a supposed act of feminism.
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- 18:23White supremacy is stupid, but there's something about a young smart guy saying it that makes him seem evil in a different way than if Tim or Ray said the same things.
- 19:11There's a Nazi aesthetic that certain people have, and it's recognizable.
- 19:29Tim was attracted to the Charlottesville guy he looked up—he's got a mealy mouth, and there's something particularly gross about an unafraid young man saying these things.
- 19:48In nature, guys like that would be murdered in seconds for talking about being king of the jungle at eighty pounds with brittle bones.
- 20:14If you wanted to go back to nature, your wife would be procured from you and handled appropriately.
- 20:27Tim would hopefully be procuring the women from the Nazi men, consensually, and taking them somewhere—it would be feminist.
- 2 min
Should the Columbia Kid's Life Be Ruined?
#Tim argues he doesn't want anyone's life ruined for offensive statements, comparing it to harassment he's received himself, including death threats and a warning about going to the Netherlands after his Dutch reindeer joke.
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- 20:59Tim argues against ruining the Columbia student's life over his comments, though he acknowledges people want to.
- 21:25No one's life should be destroyed for a small mistake in youth, which he contrasts with actual injustices in minority communities.
- 21:47Tim says the student's ideas are genuinely problematic and weren't an attempt at humor.
- 22:01Companies often don't want to hire unstable people, even if incidents shouldn't permanently tank someone's career.
- 22:20Tim compares the situation to abuse he receives online—homophobic tweets, death threats, including one person warning him never to visit the Netherlands.
- 22:37Someone threatened him in the Netherlands over his bit about Dutch people sounding like reindeer.
- 23:00Tim's position: people should be given second chances, regardless of race, for saying homophobic or racist things.
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Second Chances, Old Tweets, and Society's Selective Memory
#Discussion of giving people second chances for old offensive statements, using Kevin Hart's old tweets and casual racist language in older movies as examples of shifting social norms and 'progress.'
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- 23:11Tim argues that digging up old tweets from 2009 contradicts progress, which requires accepting that people evolve
- 23:33People used to be stars and say things about colored people without consequence; now society pressures them to stop
- 24:06Tim notes he made comments 10 or 15 years ago that he hides now, representing some form of progress
- 24:27Society's pressure to eliminate offensive language is the real goal, treating people as animals responding to incentives
- 3 min
Gavin McInnes, De-platforming, and the Slippery Slope of Bans
#Extended debate about Gavin McInnes and Proud Boys being banned, Alex Jones, and Tim's worry that de-platforming will accelerate and eventually target critics of the state across the political spectrum, framed against libertarian concerns about private company power.
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- 24:46Tim acknowledges Gavin McInnes has done reckless things but argues nobody is always wrong, even Hitler didn't smoke.
- 25:25Tim expresses discomfort that comedians aren't objecting to how swiftly de-platforming happens without recourse.
- 25:56Once platforms decide you're done, your account, subscriber base, and Patreon income disappear immediately, with decisions made entirely in private.
- 26:25Tim argues critics of the state from both right and left get de-platformed, citing Chris Hedges being falsely identified as Russian bots.
- 27:00De-platforming starts with egregious cases like Alex Jones that don't surprise anyone, but Tim predicts it will expand much more broadly in coming years.
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- 5 min
They pull up Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's still-active Twitter account and read his inflammatory tweets about Israel, the Holocaust, and the military industrial complex, questioning why he's allowed to stay online while comedians and commentators get banned, folding in Chapo Trap House and Louis Farrakhan as further examples.
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- 27:24Nobody will look into what anyone actually said to get thrown off Twitter because people trust big tech and government technocracy.
- 28:03Why does nobody on the left seem bothered that big corporations can make banning decisions with no process or accountability?
- 28:42Alex Jones spent years criticizing the state and Bush's war crimes without resistance before being deplatformed.
- 29:39Ahmadinejad was the president of Iran, which makes his Twitter presence categorically different from Alex Jones or other individuals.
- 30:28Louis Farrakhan remains on Twitter calling Jews horrible things, yet Ahmadinejad got banned.
- 30:56Tim argues the lines being drawn by Twitter are clearly political, not applied consistently.
- 31:37Ahmadinejad's actual tweets talk about closing the military industrial complex and ending wars—not inherently extremist content.
- 32:00His tweet about weapon industry owners being partners in bloodshed and destruction reads like standard anti-war rhetoric.
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- 3 min
Powerlessness, Violence, and the Tech-Government Alliance
#Tim argues that stripping people of a platform and voice breeds violence, and that big tech companies are aligned with the security state and government rather than truly independent, using the Macron/yellow vest unrest in France as an example.
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- 32:39Reddit moderators and tech platforms claim to balance free speech with preventing doxxing and harassment.
- 33:34Tim argues that when people feel completely powerless and unpersoned, they become violent because discourse has been eliminated.
- 34:10The first wave of deplatformed people are the hardest to defend, but Tim expects the pattern to intensify beyond them.
- 34:36Tim questions why tech companies dependent on government don't face antitrust enforcement and spotlights an unhealthy alliance between Big Tech and the state.
- 35:11The elite have become technocrats, oligarchs, and cosmopolitan globalists who made a deal to defend the state.
- 35:29Tim compares Macron dismissing Yellow Vest protests by telling people to be patriotic instead of addressing their concerns.
- 4 min
Silicon Valley's Libertarian Roots and the Apple-FBI Story
#Discussion of Silicon Valley's original utopian/libertarian ethos versus its current cooperation with government and intelligence agencies, using the Apple-FBI phone unlocking case as a suspicious PR narrative, and broader fears about smartphone-era surveillance and public complacency.
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- 35:46Silicon Valley's original libertarian, anti-regulation ethos and how it has morphed over time.
- 36:03Apple refusing to unlock the phone for the FBI a couple years ago as a PR story masking larger surveillance cooperation.
- 36:42Tim suspects the Apple-FBI story got reported because the Justice Department sued them, not because Apple was genuinely resisting.
- 37:05All personal information is being sold not just to private industry but to unknown third parties and intelligence agencies.
- 37:48Modern people lack the intellectual and philosophical resistance that earlier generations might have had to surveillance and corporate control.
- 38:17A century of propaganda from Bernays and the PR industry has conditioned people toward consumerism rather than critical thinking.
- 38:42Tim questions whether average people are intellectually equipped to use freedom responsibly at this point.
- 39:06Whatever Silicon Valley is cooking up might be at least as good as letting people determine the country's course themselves.
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Cleaning Up the Internet Like the Old Networks Did
#Tim theorizes that tech platforms are recreating the old three-network media consensus by starting bans with easy targets before expanding to silence broader dissent, citing suppressed books like 'Family of Secrets' and researchers like Russ Baker and Nick Bryant.
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- 40:12Economic interconnectedness means people can't live like they used to—five miles apart farming their own land—because we're all stacked on top of each other and dependent on the Fed keeping the economy afloat.
- 41:05Tim argues the censorship push is becoming nakedly ideological, starting with indefensible figures but expanding to include any state critics and left-wing voices eventually.
- 41:49What's happening now is cleaning up the internet the same way the old three networks and major newspapers built consensus—enforcing uniformity instead of chaos.
- 42:08The definition of Nazi or fascist will keep expanding as control tightens, eventually catching people on the left and anyone who criticizes the state.
- 42:23Why would big business and governments tolerate a chaotic wild west internet when they've always controlled information through traditional media?
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- 4 min
What Happens to Angry, Deplatformed People?
#Tim and Ray debate what happens to a society full of disenfranchised, deplatformed people who can't earn a living or be heard, discussing racism's role, demonetization, and the danger of narrowing acceptable language and ideas.
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- 42:49Tim lays out the cycle: platforms gain power, politicians fear them, people disappear from search results and must play ball.
- 43:04Deplatforming people without providing alternatives creates a disenfranchised population with nowhere productive to go.
- 43:32Tim questions the endgame of marginalization: does society actually want hordes of angry, voiceless people running around desperate?
- 44:04He acknowledges platforms need to curtail heinous content but worries about scope creep—when does legitimate criticism become grounds for banning?
- 44:32Example: Russ Baker tweeting criticism of George H.W. Bush over Kennedy assassination knowledge could someday be flagged as hateful content.
- 45:02Tim counters the "you can still have a website" argument by noting that 1995-era internet access isn't the same as algorithmic platform distribution.
- 45:35Platform employees feel guilty that harmful content thrived on their sites and believe they need to act, which Tim understands but distrusts.
- 45:58Left-wing criticism gets labeled Russian bot activity before anyone asks what actually constitutes a Russian bot versus someone disagreeing.
- 46:19Language gets deliberately narrowed—rebranding 'small burglaries' as 'home invasion,' following Orwell's 1984 playbook to control ideas through words.
- 46:39Trump co-opted 'fake news' after the left popularized it, showing how weaponized rhetoric spreads across political sides.
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- 5 min
Debating Richard Spencer, Milo, and the Rise of Hitler
#They debate whether free debate can defeat figures like Richard Spencer and Milo Yiannopoulos with facts and logic, versus the historical reality that Hitler rose through violence and intimidation rather than persuasion, and touch on Jordan Peterson's controversial gender-pronoun law objections.
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- 47:03People adopt marketing slogans like "Saturday for the boys" instead of developing their own personalities.
- 47:58Tim argues that Richard Spencer and Milo Yiannopoulos are easy to debunk with facts and logic.
- 48:46You could debate Hitler, but that's not how he actually came to power.
- 49:00Deplatforming people doesn't work unless you delegitimize the ideas themselves.
- 49:35Tim wonders if hate groups like the KKK would have caught fire on the internet instead of remaining fringe.
- 50:17Society improved over time, but not because of perfect solutions—it was hard and gradual progress.
- 50:43Tim doesn't believe in slippery slope arguments connecting Jordan Peterson to the far right.
- 51:02The far left's overreach on issues like gender-neutral Santa easily turns people into Republicans.
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- 4 min
Slander, Harassment, and Where the Line Should Be
#Continued debate over where free speech protections should end, distinguishing slander and harassment (like Alex Jones inciting harassment of Sandy Hook parents) from legitimate unpopular opinion, and discussing Laura Loomer as another deplatformed figure.
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- 51:39Labeling people who disagree as gateways to fascism — low taxes leads to Hitler.
- 52:10Tim argues censoring people currently being censored is wrong because society can't be properly curated.
- 52:38Tech companies tried to ban terms like 'illegal immigrant' and 'anchor baby' to control debate.
- 53:05Restricting legitimate debate terms groups normal people with radicals, creating echo chambers that breed fundamentalism.
- 53:32Tim favors a public sphere where Alex Jones, Russ Baker, and others can speak and be publicly challenged with facts.
- 54:00Harassment and directing fans to attack people — like Sandy Hook parents — crosses into illegal territory.
- 54:32Accounts directing group harassment should be banned, which justified bans of Alex Jones and Gavin McInnes.
- 54:51Laura Loomer is a goon and a crank, but banning her won't improve society's function.
- 4 min
Trump's Election and Global Hypernationalism
#Tim argues Trump's election stemmed from economic decline and people feeling unable to express legitimate grievances without being branded racist, then broadens to a discussion of global hypernationalism and the EU's democratic deficit.
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- 55:34Trump won because people felt unable to express themselves without being called racist.
- 55:52People voted for him because their lives weren't as good as their parents', not just because of speech restrictions.
- 56:05Legitimate concerns exist about mass migration and economic systems that shouldn't be dismissed as fascism.
- 56:17A functioning society requires dialogue with the other side, not silencing dissenting voices.
- 56:39Hypernationalism and othering of immigrants or racial groups are global trends using classic fascist tactics.
- 56:58People feel powerless because they never voted on supranational organizations like the EU making decisions for them.
- 57:17The EU's faceless bureaucrats deciding a country's future while citizens have no voice breeds resentment.
- 57:42Everyone with a smartphone knows it's built with slave labor and rare minerals from exploitative mines but does nothing.
- 58:27Globalization shifted the economy toward the West for centuries; now people feel pain from that shift and panic.
- 58:38Silencing people's grievances leads to violence, which only strengthens the state's security apparatus and control.
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Coltan, Slave Labor, and Willful Ignorance About Our Own Comfort
#Tim connects Western complicity in exploitative labor (coltan mining for electronics) with people's willingness to ignore uncomfortable truths for centuries, then ties it to anger over economic globalization.
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- 59:11Tim argues that removing edgy comedy from mainstream spaces drives people to seek it online, where it flourishes next to toxic ideologies.
- 59:39When mainstream outlets won't discuss real historical events like the Iran overthrow or CIA coups, people turn to figures like Alex Jones as their only source.
- 1:00:02Acknowledging actual history prevents conspiracy theorists from monopolizing those narratives and attracting followers.
- 3 min
The Goldman Sachs Facebook Fight and 'A Maid Will Find You'
#Tim tells the story of a viral Facebook argument he had after joking that Goldman Sachs interns should be worked to death, escalating into a savage insult war where he mocked the man's loneliness, ending with the twist that the guy is now his opener at a gig in Hasbrouck Heights.
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- 1:00:13Tim argues Goldman Sachs employees should be worked to death as an honor.
- 1:00:35Tim told the person to jump out of a window after they insulted him for being an open miker.
- 1:00:46The recurring insult: "A maid will find you dead in a hotel room alone after some VFW show."
- 1:01:00Tim kept hitting the same theme throughout the argument while the other person responded with facts.
- 1:01:10Tim escalated to telling him no one would come to his funeral, imagining confused relatives asking who he was.
- 1:01:22The Facebook argument guy is now featuring for Tim at a comedy club tonight in Hasbro kites.
- 1:01:38Tim wonders if the guy knows he's the one who wrote those brutal insults.
- 1:02:04Online fights would start whenever Tim posted something ridiculous, like "put the poor in an oven."
- 1:02:20Trolling used to be fun but doesn't work anymore because Trump already co-opted the strategy.
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- 1 min
Tim reacts to news of a federal judge striking down the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate on tax logic grounds, joking about being off the hook for the insurance fine and the absurdity of losing coverage right as free speech online is also being restricted.
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- 1:03:10Tim explains the legal logic behind the Obamacare ruling: the penalty was eliminated, so it's no longer a tax, making the mandate unconstitutional.
- 1:03:55Getting rid of the penalty opened the door for a judge to strike down the entire law, potentially leaving everyone uninsured.
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If We Can't Be Free, At Least Give Us Healthcare and Drugs
#Continuing the healthcare bit, Tim jokingly proposes trading freedom and free speech for guaranteed healthcare, food, and pills from the state.
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- 1:04:19Tim's deal: if the internet is going to control our lives, at least give us healthcare and drugs in return
- 1:04:38We're never going to achieve freedom because the military-industrial complex won't allow it
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Crazy Rich Asians and Fantasy of a Secretly Rich Family
#Tim praises the movie Crazy Rich Asians, notes its poor reception in China, and riffs on his fantasy of having a secretly wealthy family he could downplay to impress guests, contrasting love stories about wealth versus poverty.
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- 1:05:04Tim says he loves the movie Crazy Rich Asians and thought it was great.
- 1:05:30The movie takes place in Singapore with a couple of scenes in New York.
- 1:05:54He wanted to invite someone over and act all sheepish about his wealth while saying he'd walk away from it all—but wouldn't actually.
- 4 min
Tim and Ray close with plugs for Twitter/Instagram handles, Ray's screenplay bit involving a Port Authority worker, Tim's new wrestling podcast with Dan St. Germain, upcoming Madison, WI and LA shows, video distribution strategy on Twitter vs Instagram, and a joking aside about Ray's blue check and offers of sex for money before signing off.
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- 1:06:26Tim promotes his social media handles on Twitter and Instagram.
- 1:06:55He mentions taking two weeks off and handing a script to someone at the Port Authority to read while crossing the George Washington Bridge.
- 1:07:13Tim announces he's co-hosting Dan Saint-Germain's wrestling podcast, Total Effing Marks, every Saturday despite not watching wrestling.
- 1:07:41Comedy tour dates: Madison, Wisconsin in late January and multiple shows in LA during January and February, including potential Kill Tony appearances.
- 1:08:12Tim explains they're uploading videos to Twitter because Instagram limits video length, and fans should check Twitter for full versions.
- 1:09:01He claims Twitter has never worked well for him personally, only serving as a platform for these videos they can't fit on Instagram.
- 1:09:19Tim doesn't have Twitter verification but is verified on Instagram because he's attractive, leading to discussion of messages from verified account followers.
- 1:09:44The conversation turns to offers from men after getting verified, ranging from sex to combinations of sex and food like pork pie.
- 1:10:10Final plugs and sign-off, with mention that the next episode will feature third-miking guests.
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