Episode 228 · The Ben Avery Era
#228 - Candace Owens | The Tim Dillon Show
with Candace Owens
Nov 29, 2020 · 1:09:24 · 510,000 views · 27 segments, 169 moments indexed
This week we are joined by New York Times best selling author, commentator, political activist, and soon to be mother, Candace Owens.
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- 1 min
Cold Open: Bringing on "Our First Woman of Color"
#Tim sets up a mock-serious premise that he's finally elevating a marginalized voice on the show, then reveals his guest is Candace Owens, riffing on the absurdity of the setup before the interview begins.
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- Tim explains the show's direction and reveals someone called him out for never having a woman of color on.
- Tim decides to use his platform to elevate marginalized people and bring on a woman of color.
- Tim frames the move as throwing a bone to progressives and reaching across the aisle.
- Tim insists he's serious about this commitment despite being a comedian.
- 3 min
Candace argues progressives only elevate black people who frame themselves as victims, contrasts her happiness and sense of humor with the left's outrage-seeking mentality, and Tim brings up how comedians privately respect her for taking jokes in stride.
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- Progressives only want to listen to Black people who complain about being Black and fit the victim narrative.
- Because Candace likes America, doesn't hate white people or men, she's disqualified from the oppression Olympics.
- Tim observes that Candace is a happy person with a good life, not invested in other people's misery.
- There's a psychological component to modern politics — people with purple hair screaming suggests mental disorder, not genuine political conviction.
- Leftists wake up every day trying to figure out what to be upset about, which eventually rots their soul.
- Candace is the opposite — always happy partly because she has family and a good sense of humor from growing up together.
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They discuss how political correctness has killed edgy comedy, using Chris Rock's stand-up special as an example of a show that could never air today, and why Candace appreciates being mocked as a caricature.
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- Tim on his code: you can say whatever you want about me, I'm gonna laugh it off.
- Tim tweeted that SNL hasn't been funny since 2009.
- Tim explains why he's able to laugh off jokes while many people on both left and right cannot.
- 4 min
Candace explains why the left avoids debating her, praises Cornel West as a respectable opponent, and says she fears debating Larry Elder more than anyone on the left due to his command of facts.
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- Tim argues that Chris Rock's "Bigger and Blacker" special couldn't be performed in 2020 because the racial stereotypes and sharp observations would draw condemnation.
- The best comedy lets no one escape—everyone in the audience realizes we all suck together, which creates humanity and beauty rather than division.
- Candace Owens finds Tim's caricature of her funny because it hits at something real, and she doesn't get defensive about being made fun of.
- Tim asks whether Owens gets invited to college debates on critical race theory and intersectionality, or if the left avoids bringing her in.
- Owens claims everything the left believes is a lie that relies on people being unintelligent or too fearful to counter it.
- According to progressive stacking rules, Owens says she's at the top of the hierarchy, so the left has to let her speak—and when they do, she can beat them on intellect.
- Tim asks if there's any smart person on the left, like Cornel West, where Owens would admit it would be a tough debate.
- Owens says she's debated Cornel West and found him willing to have a respectable dialogue because he's smart enough not to say ridiculous far-left things.
- Moderate leftists have kowtowed to the far left, making their arguments increasingly ridiculous and less worthy of serious engagement.
- 4 min
Tim and Candace discuss the backlash to Harry Styles wearing a ball gown on Vogue, tying it into a broader riff on gender ideology, Emily Ratajkowski's gender-neutral parenting plans, and a Unitarian church video about a toddler's gender identity.
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- Tim says he wouldn't debate Larry Elder because the man has a photographic memory and never forgets a fact.
- The left's position on gender is too incoherent to debate—they claim women can be men and men can be women, but want kids to decide their gender despite being unable to avoid sticking their hands in toasters.
- Harry Styles wore a ball gown on the cover of Vogue, and Tim's criticism was that these designer clothes are too expensive for anyone to actually afford or wear.
- Tim argues most men aren't going to start dressing in Christian Dior ball gowns just because Harry Styles did it on a magazine cover.
- The current push for gender ideology in children is new—something the left has unleashed over the last five years, telling kids that gender is made up.
- Emily Ratajkowski announced she'd raise her child with no gender and wait until age eighteen for the kid to tell her what gender it is.
- A Unitarian church video showed adults asking a two-year-old to announce they're transgender, displaying all the creepy elements of religious indoctrination.
- The left has become a cult filling the void left by atheism, pushing new religions and trying to undo things nobody had a problem with.
- Tim's guest was a tomboy growing up but her mother didn't declare her a boy, and she naturally became interested in boys when she hit puberty.
- Harry Styles isn't masculine when he's wearing a dress, and these cultural trends on magazine covers signal what's coming next for society.
- Tim is staunchly opposed to what he calls the trans agenda being pushed through mainstream media and culture.
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Candace closes out her point that the left conflates diversity with perversity, arguing for maximum freedom while opposing what she sees as manufactured shock content, before Tim transitions into the ad break.
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- Tim argues that trans people suffering from gender dysphoria deserve protection but shouldn't dictate how others think or speak.
- Progressivism has become about reducing freedom and corralling people into conformity rather than expanding liberty.
- He was called transphobic for saying a man in a dress isn't masculine, rejecting the equation of criticism with phobia.
- Why can't magazines show a normal nuclear family instead of constantly pushing toward increasingly extreme imagery?
- 4 min
Tim reads a rambling ad for Bespoke Post's subscription box, riffing on grooming gear, craft beer, camping knives scaring bears, and joking about wanting his own box of awesome for the holidays.
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- Tim explains that having all the things you need to be a man delivered in a box is important.
- He loves gadgets and the surprise of opening a box and discovering useful items like a martini shaker or camping knife.
- Tim jokes that a knife scares bears when camping, or alternatively he'll kill the family instead.
- You can get gear to upgrade craft beers, cozy threads for cold weather, and outdoor equipment all in one box.
- Tim compares the box subscription to reading ten Jordan Peterson books as a way for younger men to grow into manhood.
- With one of these boxes you could theoretically leave society and go off the grid.
- Tim says he doesn't like stop lights or driver's licenses and isn't enjoying the collective, though he still wants craft beer and cozy threads.
- During the holidays everyone makes requests and wants things, but what Tim actually wants is a box of awesome.
- 3 min
Tim shows off his titanium Ridge Wallet on camera, joking about sanitizing it during the "bubonic plague" and praising its minimalist design before giving the discount code.
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- Ridge Wallet sponsors the show and offers a minimal front pocket wallet with thirty thousand five star reviews.
- Tim demonstrates the Ridge Wallet, noting you have to walk across the frame carefully to use it.
- Tim explains the wallet is easy to sanitize with a little hand sanitizer, which is huge right now because of the bubonic plague.
- The titanium construction and minimal design force you to ask what really matters and organize your entire life.
- Tim describes it as a front pocket wallet that's tough, durable, and everything you could want from a wallet.
- 3 min
Candace explains her new role at Daily Wire, her stylistic differences with Ben Shapiro, and their ability to disagree while remaining allies, before Tim brings up his own experience getting expensive, unreliable COVID tests.
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- Tim asks why Candace joined Daily Wire and whether she and Ben Shapiro are ideologically aligned.
- Candace explains Daily Wire's strategy of featuring people who disagree with each other rather than enforcing ideological uniformity.
- Tim shifts to COVID testing, noting he's spending six hundred dollars on tests despite having no symptoms.
- Tim proposes canceling the thousands of dollars he's spent on COVID tests, comparing it to student loan forgiveness.
- Tim observes that when a doctor arrives without a mask for the test, it undermines the stated urgency around COVID.
- Candace confirms she's been warning since February that COVID would be weaponized to remove Trump from office.
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Candace lays out her theory that COVID was inflated to destroy Trump's economy, enable mail-in ballot fraud, and psychologically traumatize Americans via things like death tickers, comparing it to China's swift economic reopening.
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- COVID was never going to kill millions of Americans — it was about transforming a free society into a totalitarian state.
- Trump had a roaring economy going into 2020, but the mail-in ballot system was implemented virtually overnight, allowing more fraud.
- Crashing the economy while changing voting methods happened at the same time China was positioning itself as world leader through Belt and Road.
- China, despite implementing genocide on Muslims, has a seat on the UN humanitarian board, which makes no sense.
- China reopened its businesses in two weeks while the West couldn't figure it out anywhere.
- People reported their relatives who died of other causes had COVID-19 added to death certificates from post-mortem testing.
- If authorities actually believed COVID was a deadly virus, they would have encouraged Trump rallies to kill his supporters instead of banning them.
- The death ticker on news was next-level creepy psychological warfare — creating trauma like a car accident death ticker would.
- A constant death ticker for any cause would create psychological trauma that fundamentally changes how people act every day.
- A woman approached Tim at the grocery store recently.
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Candace recounts telling off a woman at Whole Foods who scolded her about mask-wearing while pregnant, and describes her strict no-mask-at-home policy, comparing COVID fear to normal flu risk in kids.
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- Tim confronts a pregnant woman at Whole Foods about wearing her mask below her nose.
- Flu is more likely to kill children, yet no one required masks during flu season.
- Tim sees high school kids running outside in masks while doing gym and finds it cultish.
- The statistics show kids are more likely to die of flu, making mask mandates feel arbitrary and psychological.
- Tim describes himself as strong-headed and committed to spending Thanksgiving with family regardless of mandates.
- 2 min
Candace says she's confident Trump will win via a Supreme Court challenge, argues Biden's vote totals don't add up, and contrasts her politically obsessed LA life with her apolitical cousin Mia in the projects.
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- Tim claims he is 100 percent certain Trump pulls out the election, predicting the Supreme Court will decide it.
- Tim argues that anyone claiming Biden secured more votes than Obama in 2008 is kidding themselves.
- Discussion of whether Biden's win was an anti-Trump vote rather than genuine enthusiasm for Biden himself.
- Tim's cousin Mia from the projects didn't know what Brexit was when he tried to explain it to her.
- He says he would rather hang out with cousins in the projects than talk politics with everyone in L.A.
- The black conservative movement is huge and growing but completely ignored by mainstream media.
- Some of the most interesting online conversations are happening between black conservatives debating American policy.
- Trump made significant gains with minority voters in the election.
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- 2 min
Candace credits independent black voices for fatigue with victimhood narratives and explains why she thinks Trump gained minority votes, while Tim pushes back gently about historical inequities like housing loan discrimination.
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- Independent voices and people getting tired of victimhood narratives—Black America waking up to a political game played every four years.
- Black people now have their own platforms and are no longer relying on mainstream narratives about race.
- The left pushing for social media censorship because figures like Candace Owens can reach millions with an alternative message.
- Tim concedes Black people do face a different set of challenges than white people in many cases.
- Long Island suburb wealth-building: white families inherited homes through post-WWII loans while Black families were excluded from those loans and communities.
- Realtors who showed houses to Black people faced threats, locking them out of the equity-building engine that created middle-class wealth for others.
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Candace argues black Americans did better economically under Jim Crow than today, blames government welfare dependency for post-1950s decline, and jokes about how nobody wants to bring up Asian-American success statistics.
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- Tim traces Black economic decline from the 1950s-70s, arguing welfare and the Great Society married Black Americans to government dependence.
- Black Americans performed better economically under Jim Crow than today, which Tim says points to policy choices rather than systemic racism.
- AOC proposing government payments to keep Black and brown people home mirrors the welfare policies that crippled Black America initially.
- Government isn't a parent—welfare was an attack on the Black family, and accepting more handouts will trap Black poverty for another hundred years.
- Black people make the worst decisions out of every group in America compared to the most successful group.
- Nobody wants to talk about Asians because it defeats arguments about why some groups had it easier in America.
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Tim and Candace debate whether racial disparities in policing come down to race or economic privilege, citing Obama's daughters and Puff Daddy's kids, then pivot into whether marijuana should be legalized to reduce incarceration.
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- Tim contrasts his own drug use and traffic stops with his Black friends' experiences with police.
- Caller argues that Tim racialized economic privilege instead of attributing it to wealth and access to lawyers.
- Tim points out that Malia and Sasha Obama would face different consequences than poor white kids despite smoking pot.
- Caller asks if Tim supports legalizing weed to end the drug war putting people in jail.
- Tim expresses concern about the slippery slope argument, noting California is moving toward decriminalizing heroin and methamphetamine.
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Candace argues the left never stops at one policy change, citing California's push toward decriminalizing hard drugs and the gay marriage-to-trans-rights progression as cautionary examples.
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- Tim traces the slippery slope from gay marriage to trans rights to kids picking their gender and men naming tampons in restrooms.
- He acknowledges the slippery slope argument makes sense but argues there's real pain from non-violent drug offenders in jail, disproportionately affecting economically disadvantaged Black and Hispanic people.
- Legal cannabis has created millionaires in parts of the country where it's been decriminalized, contrasting with imprisonment for the same substance elsewhere.
- 3 min
Candace explains her shift from pro-choice to staunchly pro-life, citing Margaret Sanger's eugenicist history and abortion's disproportionate effect on the black population, while distinguishing herself from those who shame women who've had abortions.
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- Candace Owens on becoming unapologetically pro-life after realizing she was brainwashed about abortion being just a clump of cells.
- Tim explores Owens' claims about Margaret Sanger's abortion movement being designed as eugenics targeting Black populations.
- Candace argues the left relies on extreme rape scenarios because most abortions stem from irresponsibility rather than assault.
- Tim states he's pro-choice because he won't tell someone else what to do with their body, even while understanding pro-life arguments.
- He distinguishes his position from hard-right absolutism that rejects contraception and Plan B entirely.
- Tim's broader point: society needs to accept that people hold different moral codes and coexist without one group compelling another.
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After a brief video freeze joke, Candace argues millennials were fed the "my body my choice" narrative the way younger generations are now fed gender ideology, citing Thomas Sowell's writing on education.
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- Tim announces the show has moved to cia.gov
- People should respect each other's beliefs and not infringe on freedoms unless something is absurd
- Gender ideology isn't what was pushed on his generation—sexual freedom was the focus instead
- Millennials were taught about sexual freedom and abortion access as default ideology
- Abortion views are generational products shaped by what each generation was taught in schools
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Candace clarifies she doesn't attack women who've had abortions personally, believing in educating people without vicious judgment, closing out the abortion conversation.
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- Tim loves Thomas Soule but discusses the push for sexual freedom and how each generation is shaped by its era's values.
- The messaging Tim received: women's bodily autonomy, my body my choice—a perspective he has since reconsidered.
- He refuses to call women who've had abortions baby killers, viewing that as unhelpful dialogue rather than actual education.
- 3 min
Tim reads the Sheath Underwear ad, praising the product before riffing with Candace about Ben (the producer) formerly wearing leopard-print thongs before converting to Sheath.
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- Tim pitches Sheath Underwear at tim30 discount code valid until Christmas.
- Sheath has a pouch design that keeps things perky and eliminates chafing and discomfort.
- Both Tim and Ben actually wear Sheath despite the sponsor relationship.
- Ben used to wear women's thongs and stripper-style g-strings that stuck out of his jeans.
- Tim convinced Ben to try Sheath instead of his leopard and black thongs.
- Tim directs listeners to research the Sheath Underwear founder Robert Patron's story.
- Tim questions what the inspiring story behind Sheath Underwear actually is, expressing skepticism.
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Tim mockingly reads the supposedly inspiring origin story of Sheath Underwear's founder, joking that he was a leash specialist for dogs at Abu Ghraib before starting the company.
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- Robert spent 10 years as a neo-Nazi militia member, then decided to make underwear because he realized he didn't hate Jews, just chafing.
- Robert Patton is a veteran who served as a guard at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
- Tim describes Patton as the "leash specialist" at Abu Ghraib—a German Shepherd trainer for the prison.
- Patton then worked at a restaurant called Guantanamo Bay, presumably as a busboy doing water service.
- Tim theorizes they were giving dogs to Iraqi children and Patton was in charge of leashing them and handing out puppies to families.
- 2 min
Tim reads the Keeps ad about preventing hair loss with FDA-approved treatments, joking that Ben instead wears a surgically "welded" wig.
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- Tim's rule: if you're bald, your life is over unless you're Joe Rogan with better work ethic and more money.
- Keeps prevents hair loss you already have—it's not about regrowing hair or getting a wig.
- A simple pill stops hair loss in its tracks, starting at ten dollars a month with the first month free.
- Much of identity is wrapped up in hair—the fresh cut, the styling before going out.
- Ben didn't use Keeps and got a wig instead—hair surgically welded to his head, which Tim calls disgusting.
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Candace argues police aren't kicking down doors over joints and that most controversial incidents involve suspects ignoring repeated instructions, while Tim pushes for more de-escalation training and questions chokehold use.
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- Tim questions whether police need to be militarized like stormtroopers kicking down doors over marijuana use.
- Police don't kick down doors because someone is smoking a joint—that's fantasy; they're targeting actual drug dealers.
- Teaching kids to respect police officers matters; every case brought to public attention involved someone not following police instructions.
- Walter Wallace in Philadelphia was wielding a knife and trying to kill police officers when he was shot and killed as he should have been.
- Society has developed an authority problem—an entire generation without fathers in the home doesn't believe they have to respect adults.
- Parents are now teaching people they don't have to listen to police instructions if they're Black, which will lead to more Black deaths.
- George Floyd lost his life, but many other videos show police using what appears to be excessive force.
- Cops should be trained to get someone in cuffs and into a police car without using techniques like chokeholds that cause serious damage.
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They dig into the specifics of the George Floyd and Rayshard Brooks incidents, with Candace citing the death certificate's fentanyl finding and statistics on police killed by black men versus vice versa.
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- Police refused to release the full George Floyd tape until it leaked to Daily Mail months after the riots stopped.
- The focus should be on what civilians can do—follow basic instructions—not just what police could have done differently.
- Cops deal with people at their worst—drunk, on drugs—so de-escalation training matters more than jumping to force.
- Tim agrees what happened to George Floyd was murder, but argues Floyd's death record shows he died from fentanyl overdose, not the chokehold.
- Even so, a police officer shouldn't be on anyone's neck for nine minutes.
- Police officers are killed by Black men 18 and a half times more often than Black men are killed by police, so asking cops to be nicer while facing that danger is unreasonable.
- Police officers are treated worse by the public more often than the other way around, backed up by data and statistics.
- The burden being placed on police to be even nicer despite being 18 and a half times more likely to end up dead doesn't make logical sense.
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Candace compares police work to nursing in terms of accepting known risks, and Tim asks whether she'll ever run for office, which she deflects while noting fans already float "Candace 2024."
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- Being a cop is a dangerous job people signed up for, like nurses signing up to deal with sick people.
- Tim acknowledges cops sometimes complain when asked about their behavior, but argues de-escalation training doesn't happen in practice.
- De-escalation is not a cop's instinct — even in recent police videos, situations escalate after long periods of relative calm.
- George Floyd interaction lasted almost 30 minutes, with officers repeatedly asking him to exit the car before things went wrong.
- Rayshard Brooks encounter in Atlanta showed officers being polite and measured, trying to cuff him peacefully.
- Waking someone asleep in a Wendy's drive-through shouldn't require anything more complicated than asking them to leave.
- Candace Owens addresses whether she plans to run for office, citing no plans at this moment despite social media speculation about "Candace 2024."
- People on Twitter have been floating the idea, though Owens remains noncommittal about future political ambitions.
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Candace argues most people cultivating edgy identities (purple hair, non-binary claims) are just ordinary people working normal jobs like Geico claims, using Harry Styles and Miley Cyrus as examples of manufactured controversy for attention.
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- Tim argues the world would be better with more open dialogue and discussion.
- Candace Owens describes herself as nice and funny in person, despite media portrayal as harsh.
- Owens says leftists are fundamentally cowards and won't confront her in public.
- Tim asks if A-list celebrities approach Owens behind the scenes to court her platform.
- Owens wants to make it okay to be normal after dogmatic approaches to culture and politics.
- People trying to be not normal often lack genuine artistry and are just ordinary people at unremarkable jobs.
- Tim notes someone can have purple hair and claim non-binary identity while just answering claims at Geico.
- Owens critiques celebrities like Harry Styles using controversial personas and minority boxes despite already being talented and successful.
- She points to Miley Cyrus claiming to sometimes feel like a man or woman as another example of seeking special snowflake status.
- The answer to being different and special is to actually be someone like Tim Dillon or Candace Owens.
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They wrap up discussing Candace's book Blackout, her move to Nashville, Tim's own plans to leave LA over taxes, and a closing joke about a civil war breaking out if Trump wins, with Tim telling her to hide her ring in a vault.
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- Tim is moving to Nashville after buying a house during a comedy club run there.
- He's considering leaving LA in a year, citing absurd taxes versus services as the reason.
- California will eventually build walls to keep people in as everyone flees the state.
- Tim believes Trump will be inaugurated again and the case will go to the Supreme Court.
- If Trump wins, there will be a civil war because people actually believe Biden is already president-elect.