Episode 56 · The GaS Digital / Ray Kump Era
Gash Digital
Aug 6, 2017 · 1:19:16 · 19 segments, 138 moments indexed
- 2 min
Cold Open: Finding a Genre for 'Human Pain'
#Tim and Ray riff on what musical genre could possibly describe the show, landing on something between whimsical and dark, and joke that the show is 'mostly kid rape' with occasional segments on diners and Long Island comics.
4moments
- 0:37Tim struggles to find a song that describes the show because it's so hard to encapsulate what goes on
- 1:00Pitching 'human pain' as a potential genre for the podcast
- 1:13The show needs something cartoonish yet very dark, with a little lightness mixed in
- 1:24Settling on a description: mostly kid rape, sometimes other stuff
- 4 min
Trying (and Failing) to Book Guests: Jane Mayer and the Studio Apartment
#Tim describes his futile email campaign to get journalists and public figures on the show, fantasizing about Jane Mayer walking through Ralph's kitchen, and riffs on how the show's reputation for dark humor scares off legitimate guests.
9moments
- 1:53Tim pitches advertisers on the show's audience: mostly kid rape, with occasional death-of-the-diner content thrown in.
- 2:12Tim wants to position the podcast as WikiLeaks for people who need a platform to run their mouth.
- 2:32Getting guests on the show is difficult; Tim tries not to get mad at them for declining, and hopes they won't get mad at him for emailing them.
- 2:56Tim wonders how many podcast appearance requests any given person receives, imagining boxes full of pitches from shows with gimmicks like politically-themed puppet theater.
- 3:24Tim sends emails citing a Rolling Stone appearance for credibility, even though he may not have actually been in the magazine, just on the website.
- 3:58The problem of getting gigs parallels Tim's experience shooting weddings on Long Island during the digital photography boom—now anybody with a camera thinks they can do it.
- 4:37Tim recalls mortgage industry sales seminars at Jericho Terrace in the mortgage heyday, where executives would give pitches over buffet chicken while everyone zoned out.
- 5:07Tim imagines the likely fate of his guest request emails: people probably don't read them, but even if they do, they Google the show and that's the end of it.
- 5:23Tim and guest debate what subject line would actually get responses, with Tim suggesting something provocative like 'we got your kids.'
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- 4 min
The 'Gash Digital' Email Strategy and Chris Hedges' Hypocrisy
#They joke about renaming the show's outreach email 'Gash Digital,' then Tim argues that mainstream-critical writers like Chris Hedges should be willing to appear on outsider platforms like this one instead of only respectable media.
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- 5:41Tim criticizes Chris Hedges for claiming the U.S. is an arm of the devil's army on platforms while avoiding direct confrontation.
- 6:19Tim emails journalists like Jane Mayer, imagining them discovering the podcast and walking through the apartment studio in discomfort.
- 7:27The show's repeated coverage of child rape and human trafficking has become a recognizable theme that likely damages credibility with mainstream figures.
- 8:55Chris Hedges writes constantly about media corruption and propaganda while potentially failing to recognize he's part of the same alternative ecosystem.
- 9:34People who break from mainstream media and explore fringe ideas inevitably confront the question of what team they're really on.
- 4 min
Ann Coulter, Milo, and Respectability Politics
#Tim argues that trolls like Ann Coulter and Milo Yiannopoulos deserve some credit for going anywhere to spread their message, contrasting that with elite, homogenous Ivy League media staffers who mock unconventional ideas like JFK conspiracy theories.
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- 10:00Ann Coulter's accessibility as a multi-millionaire who thrives in underground media and will appear on most podcasts.
- 10:18Tim argues the media landscape is the Wild West where you're either selling or getting sold, and the New York Times filters everything through institutional legitimacy.
- 11:07He respects Ann Coulter's willingness to say what she believes anywhere, even though he disagrees with what she says.
- 11:36Playing respectability politics and surrounding yourself only with respectable people leads to losing, while believing in things means being able to say them in different arenas.
- 12:11A writer friend at a major comedy show works with Ivy League graduates who all think the same way and ridicule him for bringing up JFK or anything outside the mainstream narrative.
- 12:51Tim says if the left is wondering why they lost and can't advance ideas, they should stop talking only to people they consider respectable.
- 13:16You don't have to ask a guest what they do with their gash—that's a choice he makes.
- 13:41Tim pitches 'Gash Digital' as a concept, joking that nobody's getting money off merchandise featuring him or Ray.
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- 4 min
The New York Times Rejection and Declaring War on Legacy Media
#Tim recounts getting a polite pass from a New York Times journalist, then goes on an extended rant mocking journalists' self-importance and declaring the show doesn't need sources or credibility to compete with mainstream reporting.
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- 14:14Tim jokes about showing up at Sean Hannity's house with a gun to pressure him onto the show, then advises listeners not to threaten anyone's family.
- 15:09A New York Times journalist rejected Tim's interview request, leading him to declare war on legacy media outlets.
- 15:39Tim addresses legacy media as "antiquated old media fucks" and demands they sit down for interviews.
- 16:11He dismisses Ivy League credentials and connections, saying he doesn't care about a journalist's pedigree.
- 16:22Tim's declaration: the show doesn't need sources, credible reporting, journalistic talent, skill, or ethics.
- 16:47He argues his interviews are better than 90% of professional journalism, citing the CIA episode as proof.
- 17:01Guest points out Tim's appearance and demeanor—his sweating, creepy behavior, and mysterious bag—are off-putting to interview subjects.
- 17:29Tim struggles to figure out how to convince established journalists that he's a legitimate platform worth appearing on.
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- 4 min
Dream Guest Wishlist: Jamie Foxx, Jordan Peterson, and Lou Rockwell
#They joke about landing Jamie Foxx as a natural progression from Rogan, Tim explains why he doesn't need Jordan Peterson since his arguments are already well known, and they discuss trying to book Austrian economist Lou Rockwell and Joe Salerno of the Mises Institute.
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- 17:37Tim proposes alternate names for the show like "The Tim Dylan Discussion Hour" and "Discord Tea and Biscuits with Tim Dylan."
- 18:04A New York Times reporter declines the podcast, claiming he barely has time to eat and sleep despite working in New York.
- 18:54Tim mocks the excuse by describing what a New York Times writer actually does: read salad ingredients, choose protein, write clickbait about Trump.
- 19:26Jamie Foxx might be coming on soon—Tim views Rogan's audience as a natural feeder pool for guests willing to do podcasts.
- 20:18Tim says Jordan Peterson is brilliant but he's seen him a million times and doesn't need to hear his arguments again.
- 20:41Tim parodies Peterson's rhetorical style by attributing racist statements to him, then praising the dominance hierarchy framing.
- 21:19Tim asks about reaching out to Lou Rockwell and mentions Joe Salerno from the Mises Institute as a potential guest.
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- 5 min
James Baker's 'Two Types of Chief of Staff' and Dead Guests
#Riffing on a wishlist of historians and journalists (Michael Lewis, Mark Bowden, Howard Zinn, Chomsky, Brzezinski), they discover many desired guests are dead, then spin out an elaborate bit about James Baker's cryptic quote about chiefs of staff who plan assassinations versus those who cover them up.
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- 21:32Tim can't get Lou Rockwell from the Mises Institute on the show.
- 21:51Austrian economics advocates are a bunch of sad losers pushing unrealistic anarcho-capitalist ideas.
- 22:09Tim wants them on anyway because their foundation explains the problems the country is in.
- 22:54Nobody in media actually addresses institutionalized criminality—they either dismiss economists as cranks or fawn over them without pushback.
- 23:32Tim's guest wish list includes Michael Lewis, Mark Bowden, Noam Chomsky, and Howard Zinn—but many of them are dead.
- 24:15The author of a book about the CIA's drug-running operation is dead, as are Alexander Cockburn and others Tim wanted to interview.
- 24:41James Baker wrote about two types of chief of staff: those who focus on the chief and those who focus on the staff.
- 25:03Tim jokes Baker's real distinction is between chiefs of staff who assassinate the president and those who ignore assassination plots.
- 25:42Baker's article taught that there are two types of chief of staff: one getting killed and one doing the killing, the velvet hammer approach.
- 26:16Tim considers getting Tom Hanks on the podcast, then questions what they'd actually do with him for an hour.
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- 4 min
Tom Hanks, John Hinckley, and the Neil Bush Dinner Coincidence
#They joke about what they'd even talk to Tom Hanks about, then pivot into the John Hinckley assassination attempt on Reagan and the bizarre coincidence that Neil Bush had a dinner scheduled with the Hinckley family that same night.
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- 26:50Tim explains he can't do material about Hollywood pedophilia because he's trying to get auditions and TV work.
- 27:28Comparison: Tim is like Lee Harvey Oswald if he were fat and smart—the outsider hero people need.
- 27:47Tim brings up John Hinckley Jr., who shot Reagan because he was obsessed with Jodie Foster.
- 28:29The Hinckley family was friends with the Bush family, and Neil Bush was supposed to have dinner the night of the Reagan assassination attempt.
- 28:55Tim marvels at the astronomical odds of that coincidence—more likely to have sex with a penguin while receiving a hand job from God.
- 29:23Guest asks whether Tim is in control of his wild riffs or if he's speaking in code, possibly revealing end-times information like a prophet.
- 30:13Tim imagines the Hinkley family calling to reschedule the canceled dinner with Neil Bush while apologizing that their son shot the president.
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- 4 min
Imagining Neil Bush's Awkward Apology Call
#Tim improvises a comedic phone call where the Bush family apologizes to Reagan for their 'free-spirited' son shooting the president, then they discuss how mainstream media ignores such stories and reflect on why people compartmentalize suspicious coincidences in their own lives.
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- 30:41Tim opens an impression of someone explaining that their son John shot the president, apologizing and calling him free-spirited and unpredictable.
- 31:15Media ignores explosive stories or buries them with minimal coverage, which Tim contrasts with the occasional investigative piece by someone like Russ Baker.
- 31:30Tim discusses bringing up conspiracy-adjacent material to Harvard-educated people who dismiss him as a crank for connecting dots that seem too wild.
- 32:02People rationalize suspicious coincidences in their own lives—blaming siblings or parents for petty slights—but dismiss direct evidence of larger conspiracies.
- 32:58Tim examines why he gravitates toward conspiracy theories, considering his own motives and prejudices.
- 33:17The reality that conspiracies paint is so dark that most people cannot or will not live in it, so they reject even glimpses of evidence.
- 33:46Even powerful people who execute children in Zimbabwe also do good things elsewhere—they build bridges and banks—so the public only sees selective negative evidence.
- 34:12Airing out all the dirty laundry might cause society to descend into chaos, which may be why the truth stays buried.
- 5 min
Conspiracy, Declassification, and the Fantasy of Bush/Cheney Confessing to 9/11
#Tim muses on whether widespread declassification of government secrets would cause societal chaos, and jokes about how it would play out if Bush and Cheney held a press conference admitting they planned 9/11, comparing it to bombing on stage as a comedian.
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- 34:51Tim imagines George W. Bush and Dick Cheney confessing on live television that they planned 9/11.
- 35:29The confession bit is compared to bombing material in stand-up—digging yourself into a hole you can't get out of.
- 36:02Even if Bush and Cheney admitted it, they could try to justify 9/11 by pivoting to Saddam Hussein and pipeline access.
- 36:19In fifty years when everyone's dead, the real truth will probably surface as a vague online blurb about Saudi Arabia.
- 36:37Shift to Seth Rich: a DNC staffer shot in what police called a botched robbery, despite his wallet and valuables left untouched.
- 37:06A cop Tim spoke to explained that botched robberies happen—robbers get nervous and flee empty-handed.
- 37:21Julian Assange hinted that WikiLeaks sources face great risks, implying Seth Rich may have been leaking DNC emails.
- 38:05Fox News ran the story, citing private investigator Rod Wheeler attached to Breitbart, framing him as an ideologue.
- 38:29Tim pictures the private eye as a guy in the Florida Keys eating conch fritters, drinking rum, and casually throwing beer cans at alligators.
- 38:46Fox later claimed an unnamed FBI source said Seth Rich had committed malfeasance or was involved in something.
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- 7 min
The Seth Rich Murder and Julian Assange's Motives
#Tim lays out the Seth Rich murder theory in detail — the botched robbery, Assange's insinuations, the Fox News retraction and lawsuit — while stressing repeatedly that he doesn't actually know what happened and is skeptical of easy conspiracy narratives.
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- 39:06Seth Rich's family immediately denied the Fox News story as ridiculous and bunk.
- 39:31Tim questions whether the lawsuit alleges Obama's White House or Trump's White House pushed the story.
- 39:57Everyone in these situations has an agenda, and Tim admits he doesn't know anything about Seth Rich.
- 40:35They don't usually kill these guys; it seems odd to whack someone and then make a public story about it.
- 41:23Tim is skeptical of the botched robbery story because most people hand over their wallet when facing a gun.
- 42:28Tim doesn't discount human error or hysteria, but he also doesn't know Julian Assange's real motivation.
- 42:45If Assange implied Seth Rich was leaking to him, that would scare off future sources.
- 43:01Ten years in an Ecuadorian embassy under house arrest might have changed who Assange is mentally.
- 43:46Tim doesn't believe anybody and doesn't know what's going on with the Seth Rich narrative.
- 44:38People tend to talk about these things years later on their deathbed, when journalists finally investigate.
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- 10 min
Reptile Bloodlines, David Icke, and the Feudal Fanbase
#They joke about wanting Chelsea Clinton and Ken Starr on the show, discuss how Ray's parents send conspiracy articles, and land on David Icke's reptilian shapeshifter theory, comparing the show's mixed fanbase to medieval peasants gossiping about their lords.
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- 47:00Shannon's parents are big in conspiracies and send articles from rumor mill — Tim asks how deep they go on the bloodline stuff.
- 47:35Tim's position on the reptile thing: the bloodline control part is provable, but saying they're actual reptiles is where you lose people.
- 48:33People defend the reptile theory by claiming certain bloodlines shouldn't be mentioned, but Tim finds it interesting to discuss.
- 49:58David Icke is the dream guest for the show — a master bullshitter who talks about politicians eating children and vampire consciousness.
- 50:41Icke forgets he's discussing ritual child sacrifice and tries to pivot to reminiscing about the 1987 World Cup, derailing his own conspiracy narrative.
- 51:25The show has fractured fans: some like the banter and bro-sports talk, others want deeper conspiracy content, making the audience inherently divided.
- 52:27David Icke originated the reptilian theory — ancient bloodlines are actually alien shapeshifters who occasionally let their lizard features show through.
- 53:31Icke was a respected broadcaster before claiming to be Jesus; he goes on world tours pitching reptilians and runs a better show than the Catholic Church.
- 54:31Tim jokes that Icke rambles for two-and-a-half-hour stretches mixing real history like the Merovingian Kings with random memories about scoring goals and his reptile wives.
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- 8 min
Watching David Icke's Wembley Arena Speech
#They play and mock clips of David Icke's live Wembley arena lecture, from his rambling football anecdote opener to his pseudoscientific 'heart coherence' pitch and his $40 paywalled section two, marveling at his salesmanship despite a surprisingly modest net worth.
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- 55:52David Icke walks on stage in a yellow shirt at Wembley Arena, absolutely un-guy looking.
- 56:08Icke opens with a rambling story about playing five-a-side football at Wembley as a 15-year-old, losing 3-0 to Manchester City.
- 57:26Tim watches Icke present a chart comparing frustration and appreciation that looks like a seismogram for an earthquake.
- 57:39Thousands of people at Wembley Arena are convinced by Icke, which reminds Tim of Gary Fong, a wedding photographer selling $300 DVDs.
- 58:29The Wembley Arena holds about 12,500 people, meaning roughly 10,000-12,000 are watching Icke's presentation.
- 59:04Icke describes society as a 'global factory of emotional states' designed to keep people in 'heart incoherence'—pure semantic bullshit, according to Tim.
- 59:56In the middle of his speech, Icke announces Section Two will explain everything in detail for an additional $40.
- 1:00:27Tim argues there's no point arguing with a guy like Icke because he's been able to have the last laugh no matter what.
- 1:00:54Celebrity net worth lists David Icke at $500,000, which Tim finds impossibly low for someone filling Wembley Arena.
- 1:02:59Gary Fong is a wedding photographer who sold expensive secrets on how to make money in wedding photography—a con man Tim fell for in his younger years.
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- 6 min
Gary Fong: The Wedding Photography Guru
#Tim reminisces about buying a $300 DVD set from wedding photography guru Gary Fong, comparing his hustle to David Icke's, and tells stories from his own days as a wedding photographer, including accidentally body-checking a grandmother at a bar mitzvah.
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- 1:03:26Gary Fong made astronomical money as a wedding photographer by inventing collage-style albums that clients didn't want to take apart.
- 1:04:14The real audience for Gary Fong's business model was other photographers, not couples.
- 1:04:33Tim paid $300 for Fong's DVD set years ago from his website.
- 1:04:44Fong sold plastic dome diffusers for $50 that photographers could make from Chinese food containers.
- 1:05:25Tim discovered better wedding photographers after buying Fong's DVDs but acknowledges Annie Leibowitz would be overkill.
- 1:05:50Tim was a good party photographer when he was fat, then lost weight and got slower but still decent at shooting.
- 1:06:38Tim accidentally body-checked a grandmother at a bar mitzvah during the candle lighting ceremony and knocked her down hard.
- 1:07:09Wedding guests now waste ten minutes taking cellphone photos instead of letting the professional photographer work.
- 1:08:59Gary Fong looks like David Icke giving lectures, and Tim believes being a good salesman matters more than being a good photographer.
- 1:09:20Tim awkwardly sold his album designs to couples, offering to make them cheaper if they wanted changes.
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- 1 min
Watching Gary Fong's YouTube Lecture
#They play a clip of Gary Fong's own rambling seminar footage about his YouTube tutorial empire and his business breakdown after scaling to 72 employees, marveling at how unpolished his pitch is compared to his success.
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- 1:09:54Gary Fong has been making instructional YouTube videos, currently around 230 of them.
- 1:10:07His content ranges from basic histogram reading to advanced techniques like manipulating white balance to change ambient light color.
- 1:10:25Fong identified massive market opportunities for people who don't know how to do basic technical tasks.
- 1:10:45His company grew from six people to 72 employees before he had a breakdown and couldn't handle it anymore.
- 2 min
Wedding Photography Economics and Sweating Through Weddings
#Tim and Ray discuss the real economics of wedding photography margins on albums, the demographics of who does the job, and Tim jokes about being an overweight, sweaty, hard-charging photographer diving through crowds for shots.
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- 1:11:13Wedding photography can be very lucrative on the high end, but the margins get eaten up by real leather albums that cost $1,000 out of pocket.
- 1:11:50Tim sweats through weddings and doesn't want to be visibly drenched while shooting at fancy venues like Vanderbilt mansions.
- 1:12:11Wedding photographers tend to be women or older Italian guys, and it used to be a thing where ex-cops shot weddings.
- 1:12:32Tim acknowledges the feminist angle to the industry but notes that once you sit down to dinner with clients, it becomes just another job.
- 3 min
Standard housekeeping: iTunes ratings request, Tim's bus tour dates in NYC and LA, upcoming stand-up dates in Connecticut, North Carolina, DC, and Baltimore, and Ray plugging his new Vice series 'That Happened' and 'Guinea Pig' on Go90.
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- 1:13:02Tim asks listeners to rate the show on iTunes and subscribe.
- 1:13:29Double-decker bus tour in Manhattan sells out 60 seats on top, covering real estate and rich people.
- 1:13:52Los Angeles bus tour planned, discussing Vine stars and Charlie Manson.
- 1:14:10Tour dates announced: Mohegan Sun in Connecticut, Dead Crow in Wilmington, multiple shows in New York in August, DC in mid-September, McGoobies in Baltimore in November.
- 1:14:41Tim is hosting a new series on Vice called 'That Happened' about strange sports events and history.
- 1:15:07The Vice series will be weekly on Go90 with the possibility of wider distribution in the future.
- 1:15:39Ray Kump's social media handles: Instagram and Twitter @RayKump, Facebook as Ray V. Kump.
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- 1 min
They thank a listener named Sean for sending flapjacked mini muffins, joke about Tim's no-carb diet, and read out the studio's mailing address for fans wanting to send packages.
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- 1:16:13Mailing address for fan packages: Gas Digital Studios, care of Tim Dillon, 151 1st Avenue #311, New York, NY 10003
- 1:16:24Superfan Sean sent flapjack mini muffins that were discussed on the show
- 1:16:45Tim says he hasn't weighed himself but feels better on the diet
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- 2 min
Closing Rant: 'Saturdays Are For The Boys' and Barstool Sports
#Tim closes the show by mocking Barstool Sports fans who adopt the brand's 'Saturdays are for the boys' slogan as their own personality on Instagram, calling it a stupid marketing catchphrase to live by.
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- 1:17:23Tim Dylan shirts are a way to identify another human being who might have similar interests.
- 1:17:43Wearing a Tim Dylan's Going to Hell shirt might prompt conversations about Alan Dulles at the mall.
- 1:17:54The shirt makes people think listeners are human traffickers and pedophiles, which isn't the case — there are bros.
- 1:18:25Barstool Sports has this tagline: Saturdays are for the boys.
- 1:18:49Don't adopt the marketing strategy of a website as your personality — it's stupid and makes you look dumb.
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