Episode 9 · The GaS Digital / Ray Kump Era
Antiseptic New York
Sep 6, 2016 · 50:11 · 17 segments, 116 moments indexed
- 1 min
Music/network bumper introducing Tim Dillon's Going to Hell on GaS Digital Network.
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- 0:00Tim Dillon Is Going To Hell opening: examining society's designated villains—billionaires, dictators, CEOs
- 0:19Tim's philosophy: bad things and bad people exist in the world, and thank God for them
- 1 min
New Intro Music and the Bloody Long Island Fan
#Tim jokes about the show's new, campier intro replacing the old dark one, mentions the Russ Baker JFK episode, and tells the story of a fan at a stand-up show who was bleeding on his arm and didn't notice.
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- 0:42Tim rejected the opening line "your mother sucks cocks in hell" because it disturbs guests discussing serious topics like America's hidden government.
- 1:05The show is looking for new intro music and asking listeners to submit suggestions via Twitter.
- 1:19Tim promotes subscribing to the Gas Digital network at six dollars a month with a promo code offering fifteen percent off.
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- 1 min
Tim jokes about being GaS Digital's CEO without ever reading the contract, riffs on the network's profitability, and introduces guest Ralph Sutton, who has been angling to be on every show.
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- 1:37Tim jokes about being CEO and how Louis signed a contract without actually reading it.
- 1:51Tim owns twenty percent of the company while Louis has no idea what the actual terms are.
- 4 min
Ralph talks about growing up in Brooklyn, his mother running a comedy/cabaret venue where he saw Chris Rock, Ray Romano, Jerry Seinfeld and others before they were famous, and getting phone calls from Andy Kaufman doing Latka impressions.
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- 3:30Tim meets a bleeding fan at the Stand who credits the podcast for his ability to fuck chicks on Long Island.
- 3:55Tim realizes the bleeding fan represents the audience he's cultivated.
- 4:45Ralph explains he's a true New York guy, born in Brooklyn in 1969.
- 5:19Ralph's mom ran a popular cabaret and entertainment venue in Brooklyn with three shows a night.
- 5:55Ralph saw Chris Rock, Ray Romano, and other comedians perform at his mom's place before they were famous.
- 6:28Andy Kaufman was friendly with Ralph's mom and called the house to do Latke impressions for the family.
- 6:42Ralph got to meet Andy Kaufman on a couple of occasions.
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- 3 min
Ralph and Tim discuss New York's massive nightclub scene of the 80s-90s (Palladium, Limelight, the Tunnel), wild stories including a herpes transmission on a rising dance floor, and how those buildings are now a dorm and a gym/pizza restaurant.
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- 7:07New York had multiple legendary super clubs: Palladium Club USA, Limelight, and the Tunnel, each holding five to seven thousand people.
- 7:23Tim describes the cavernous winding rooms in Palladium and Limelight where people could disappear and do whatever they wanted.
- 7:39A mechanical house would descend onto the dance floor at Palladium, and one of his friends contracted herpes from a girl inside it as it was lifting back up.
- 7:56Palladium is now an NYU dormitory.
- 8:17Limelight is now a gym and restaurant selling Grimaldi's pizza, though some of the original structure remains.
- 8:31Gay nightlife was more fun in that era because at least people were living, even if they were dying of AIDS from sleeping with ten people.
- 9:00Now everyone's parents say they're supportive, but that lacks the excitement of the old days.
- 9:19The super club era spanned the seventies and eighties, overlapping with the Reagan era and cocaine cowboys.
- 9:38Tim's father was wealthy in real estate and owned a condo in Miami during the 1980s drug era depicted in Cocaine Cowboys.
- 9:57Tim witnessed the Miami drug scene firsthand as a kid, including cigarette boats that his family used to ride every week.
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- 7 min
Ralph recounts his father's real estate money and Miami drug-era connections, seeing early Guns N' Roses/Metallica shows, working as a DJ at overcapacity clubs, and how DJs and Giuliani's zoning laws killed the live music and superclub scene.
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- 10:23The death of live music is really the death of the bar business.
- 10:50Scrap Bar was a legendary rock club on Bleecker in the West Village where Slash from Guns N' Roses got a blowjob in the back.
- 11:42Guest had a blowjob during a concert, off to the side of the stage.
- 12:18When the drinking age switched to 21, it killed the bar scene because 18-year-olds used to fill clubs for three or four years before they could drink.
- 13:05Tim dropped acid at his eighth-grade graduation ceremony at Lincoln Orchard Middle School before going to the beach to trip.
- 13:43Guest saw Guns N' Roses, Metallica, and Queens of the Stone Age early on, plus White Snake.
- 14:16Went to see a show at a venue and there were only twelve people there on a Thursday night.
- 14:48During the nineties, there was a shift where live music stopped and things transitioned more to DJs.
- 15:25Guest's dad used to run Rock and Roll Church on Sunday nights at Limelight, but now everyone stays home watching Netflix.
- 15:56LA Guns played Limelight so packed with seven or eight thousand people that you couldn't move, and the fire department shut it down mid-show before they turned Metallica back on and the place went crazy.
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- 2 min
Ralph describes the real danger of old New York nightlife including stabbings near clubs and a friend faking crazy to avoid being mugged, and they discuss the drop from 3,000 to 350 annual homicides in NYC.
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- 16:52Tim describes walking home from NYC clubs in the 1970s-80s, stepping over blood puddles and witnessing stabbings on the F train.
- 17:16The early seventies and late seventies were when this area—where the studio now sits—was a real war zone.
- 17:32Tim recalls being scared to walk the streets at night, particularly around 42nd Street where dancers worked until 4 a.m.
- 17:51His friend in a bad neighborhood would talk to himself on the way home to convince people he was insane and avoid attack.
- 18:04New York had just under 3,000 homicides a year in 1990 compared to 350 today—roughly one murder per day now.
- 18:18Tim emphasizes the stark difference between the violent seventies-eighties and modern NYC crime rates.
- 4 min
They lament gentrified conformist New Yorkers, discuss how old-school restaurants are gone, and Ralph explains the ultra-exclusive invite-only restaurant Bohemian along with getting into the legendary mob restaurant Rao's.
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- 18:41New York has become antiseptic and homogeneous, with transplants in finance and advertising pretending to be hip while actually being conformists.
- 19:14The city used to be special because everybody had a different story, but that's completely gone now.
- 19:57Tim questions whether a city can be made both safe and exciting at the same time.
- 20:20Great restaurants from the nineties like Union Square Cafe and others charged $100-150, but surviving ones now cost $350 and many don't take reservations anymore.
- 20:57Bohemian, a secretive restaurant with no published phone number behind a meat market in Great Jones, requires knowing someone who's already been there to get in.
- 21:54Taking someone to Bohemian makes you look like you're really in the know, which works for trying to impress a date.
- 22:08The food at Rao's is average at best, but the atmosphere is genuinely chewable because the clientele are real people who've witnessed and committed serious crimes.
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- 3 min
Ralph recalls working at his family's restaurant Ferrier where John Gotti had a standing reservation, a violinist getting a host beaten up, dating a hitman, and a garbage company refusing service due to mob territory.
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- 22:51Gotti had a standing reservation at the back table of Ferrier restaurant on 65th and Madison in the late 80s.
- 23:09They brought a violinist in one night, and when the host asked them to tone it down because customers were complaining, Gotti's people beat the shit out of him.
- 23:35Tim would see the henchmen on the news the next day eating at the restaurant.
- 23:53A girl named Drita from Mob Wives was known to be dating a hitman at the time—it was just a given thing in that world.
- 24:10Tim speculates that hitmen are probably good in bed because they're focused on their craft.
- 24:28While running the restaurant, Tim tried to call a garbage removal company and gave them the address, but they hung up on him—he'd apparently called the wrong guys.
- 24:56When he told his father about the garbage companies refusing service, his father explained it was because of the mob's involvement in that business.
- 25:14Tim recommends old red sauce joints in New York like Cabone on Mulberry Street, which have been open since the seventies and had real mob figures as customers.
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- 2 min
Ralph name-drops knowing actress Jennifer Esposito and the lead from 300 before fame, then transitions into his career as a strip club DJ at Scores, Lace, and other clubs.
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- 25:58Jennifer Esposito used to hang out with Tim before she became famous and won an Oscar for Crash.
- 26:13Tim's brother used to go clubbing with the main guy from 300 before he became famous.
- 26:54Tim worked as a strip club DJ for a long time at places like Scores in Reading and Lacey in New Jersey.
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- 4 min
Ralph details the strict, almost militant routines of strip clubs including hourly walkthroughs, nightly goodbyes for near-empty rooms, breakfast-themed late shows, no-touching rules, and how the scene got diluted after Giuliani's crackdowns.
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- 27:43The strip club served breakfast items late at night called 'Legs and Eggs' during the last three hours
- 28:12Tim closed the night's shows with Adam Sandler's 'So Long' to strip music
- 28:35The New York club required hourly walkthroughs where all girls did two-for-one drink and dance specials
- 29:00The club made girls do formal goodbyes every night at eight o'clock with full dress introductions
- 29:35The nightly introductions involved 50 to 60 girls in full costume getting called out one at a time with biographical details
- 30:17Before Giuliani changed zoning laws, dancers considered a thousand dollars a bad night and banked serious money
- 30:37Giuliani eliminated most New York strip clubs through zoning changes and the public appetite for debauchery died
- 31:08'Breaking space' was the club's term for a rule where dancers had to stay at least knee-distance from customers
- 31:23Modern strip clubs allow customers to do essentially anything with girls in VIP rooms if they pay enough
- 3 min
They discuss the disappearance of street prostitution, Ralph's childhood memories of transvestites in the Village, and how absurdly cheap NYC apartments were in the early 90s compared to now.
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- 32:05Tim asks how big of a deal prostitution was in New York in the 90s.
- 32:24As a kid, driving by street walkers and asking them ridiculous questions was something people did for entertainment.
- 32:42Tim was an actor in the 90s doing auditions in Greenwich Village, performing in black box theaters and small venues.
- 33:01His father called a transgender person a "shim" as an attempt at being politically correct.
- 33:22Being in Greenwich Village around people different from what he'd seen before was a cool experience.
- 33:39Two movies captured that era: Limelight (documentary) and Party Monster, about the club scene with Michael Alig and others.
- 33:54Tim was a DJ every Sunday night at the clubs and people would hand him drugs constantly, which he'd pass to friends instead.
- 34:14His friend Jennifer had a nice studio apartment in the city for $400 a month—a five-floor walk-up.
- 34:27Tim's first apartment was a two-bedroom, one-bath split with his brother in Murray Hill for $1,200 a month around 1990.
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- 3 min
Ralph jokes about training squeegee men, recalls being a childhood breakdancer, and shares the sad story of a childhood best friend who died stealing a car that belonged to the Chinese mafia.
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- 34:59Tim describes witnessing a shootout open up on the street in front of him.
- 35:12Tim trained other strip club DJs across the country after working in the industry himself.
- 35:27People become strip club DJs because they want to get laid or for the money, not for artistic reasons.
- 35:44Strip club DJing is a serious culture in Atlanta and the South, with regional variations in music preferences.
- 36:05Tim's upscale strip club enforced a no-cursing rule, which created absurd situations like being yelled at for playing songs with profanity.
- 36:34Tim's best friend from first grade through eighth grade was a breakdancer with him.
- 36:45Tim trained squeegee guys across the country, continuing his pattern of working every illegal street hustle in New York.
- 37:05His best friend tried to steal what turned out to be a Chinese mafia car and was killed by them.
- 37:27Tim reflects on how his friend was just out stealing cars one day and didn't see it coming.
- 3 min
Ralph tells the story of a father-and-son con team who scammed him and a friend with fake Cyclone tickets at Coney Island, only for Ralph to catch them again years later.
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- 37:47Growing up in Brooklyn, he had to learn early who was safe to talk to and who wasn't.
- 38:07His brother nearly got beaten up by a drunk kid from the King's Highway boys gang over a breakdancing competition.
- 38:29Tim went to high school in Coney Island and still feels it's the grittiest part of New York.
- 38:44He saw a heroin addict with an infected sore on his arm waving it around and spitting at families on the boardwalk.
- 39:16A man and his kid approached Tim and his friend Melanie at Coney Island offering to sell them Cyclone tickets.
- 39:37When they reached the Cyclone, Tim realized the tickets were fake.
- 39:52Tim confronted the con man, who silently handed back his money without arguing.
- 40:16Tim admits he felt sad realizing a father-and-son con team grift had more bonding than he ever did with his own father.
- 40:32Only in Coney Island could a father-and-son team of con men operate with such casual efficiency.
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- 3 min
Ralph discusses modern-day grifter friends squatting in a divorced man's apartment, old NYC squatter's rights law, the origin of the name Avenue C, and a dark story of a stripper murdered by her bouncer boyfriend whose face stayed on club billboards after her death.
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- 41:03Tim's nostalgia for con men and grifters he knew since childhood, and his friends who are still running scams today.
- 41:17Friend Joe sent photos of Ryan and his girlfriend sleeping on couches after they squatted in a divorcing man's apartment they'd never met.
- 41:46Tim knew a squatter who endured no heat, water, or electricity for months and eventually got a free apartment when the building was redone.
- 42:32Avenue C in the Lower East Side was named by Spanish residents who couldn't pronounce 'Low East Side' in English.
- 42:59A murder-suicide at the strip club where Tim worked: the manager's girlfriend switched to dating a bouncer, they got high, and he killed her then himself.
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- 4 min
They recommend gritty old New York media like Last Exit to Brooklyn, Taxi Driver, Midnight Cowboy, and the documentary Terminal Bar, then discuss developer Tony Goldman's SoHo revitalization versus today's homogenous glass condo towers, citing an article called 'Condos of the Living Dead.'
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- 44:12Tim recalls seeing the tail end of old New York and remembers his mom covering his eyes at naked billboards during auditions.
- 44:33Documentary about a rough Hell's Kitchen bar near Port Authority Terminal that changed its identity based on whatever fad came through.
- 45:07Tim recommends watching Terminal Bar, a creepy but great documentary about all of New York.
- 45:18Story of a stripper whose dead face remained on club billboards for two years before the family got them taken down.
- 46:08Old club spaces used to accommodate massive dance floors where four thousand people could play volleyball, nothing like that exists in clubs anymore.
- 46:35People living in these new condos are boring and bland, vacationing in other people's lives and hurting New York.
- 46:49A.A. Gill wrote an article called "Condos of the Living Dead" about glass condos going up everywhere and how homogenized and weird the city is becoming.
- 47:09Developer Tony Golden, a family friend, helped develop SoHo and South Beach by letting artists rent spaces free for a year to create cool neighborhoods.
- 47:31That model of creating neighborhoods through artist development doesn't exist anymore in New York.
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- 3 min
Tim and Ralph wrap up with Twitter handles, plugs for Sex Drugs and Rock and Roll and the network subscription, a recap of the previous Russ Baker JFK episode, and a tease for next week's back-to-school special.
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- 47:45Tim promotes Ralph Sutton's show 'Sex Drugs and Rock and Roll' live Monday nights on GAS Digital.
- 47:59Next week features Ross and Body, plus a show where Tim made molds of their genitalia.
- 48:17Tim announces he fucked someone on air with a dildo, describing it as part of August awareness month.
- 48:38Next week on Tim's show he will be fucking someone in the end.
- 48:50Chana provides Twitter handle @timdillon; Tim promotes the network at promo code hell for six dollars a month.
- 49:02Tim plugs the previous episode featuring investigative reporter Russ Baker discussing JFK assassination theories.
- 49:20Coming up next week: Tim's back to school special focusing on the importance of being popular.
- 49:51Tim claims that believing in the advisor will make everything in your life easier.
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