Episode 153 · The Porch Era
Episode 153 - Gavin McInnes
with Gavin McInnes
Jun 23, 2019 · 1:31:08 · 274,000 views · 14 segments, 128 moments indexed
- 1 min
Opening music sting before Tim begins talking.
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- Tim Dillon's show begins
- 12 min
Setting Up the Gavin McInnes Interview
#Tim gives an extended preamble explaining why he's having Gavin McInnes on, addressing the Proud Boys controversy, the value of free speech and platforming controversial guests, and defending his choice against expected backlash before bringing Gavin on.
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- Tim introduces the episode and Gavin McInnes as his guest.
- Gavin co-founded Vice and appeared frequently on Red Eye with comedians across the political spectrum.
- Tim credits Gavin with getting him on Red Eye, a 3 a.m. Fox News show where comedians would go on and have fun.
- The Proud Boys controversy: some view it as a harmless men's club, others as a violent gang, with truth possibly in the middle.
- Tim finds the trajectory fascinating—Gavin went from co-founding a billion-dollar liberal media company to being banned from most social media platforms.
- Tim's position on platforming: shutting down all avenues of communication doesn't reduce violence; he believes in defending the rights of people you disagree with.
- Gray areas are where great comedy comes from, not from rigid fundamentalist thinking.
- Tim makes his living speaking into a microphone and can never cheer for the deplatforming or silencing of people.
- Tim argues for live and let live: you can't spend your life converting or coercing everyone who disagrees with you into compliance.
- Tim had a personal relationship with Gavin, watched him spiral out of control, and wonders how much control he had over the events that unfolded around him.
- Tim's goal isn't to make Gavin sympathetic or to do PR, just to have a conversation about how things got so crazy.
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- 9 min
Gavin discusses being banned from social media, argues the left invented the 'Trump is a Nazi' narrative out of desperation, uses an elaborate 'tutu' analogy to mock how false claims about him get repeated as fact, and defends the Proud Boys as originally a joke.
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- Gavin started Vice in 1994 and has seen many waves of cultural panic come and go, like the PMRC claiming rock and roll would ruin kids.
- Tim argues the real problem with deplatforming isn't missing Twitter itself but that someone else controls the conversation and decides who gets to speak.
- People accuse Gavin of being a Nazi and white supremacist, but those who know him personally have never experienced that.
- Gavin claims the left realized they have no real candidates or policies, so they went all-in on portraying Trump as a Nazi rather than running on infrastructure or healthcare.
- Tim traveled the country doing comedy before Trump's win and found his supporters were working-class people from places like Ohio with real concerns, not white supremacists.
- Gavin explains the Proud Boys started as a satirical men's club based on a joke, with offshoots like the Margarita Boys who only wear shirts and drink margaritas.
- Gavin offers an analogy: if Tim Dylan succeeded because he's an effeminate gay man in a tutu, and you competed by claiming to hate gay people, people would still say Tim doesn't wear tutus and you'd have to ban them to keep the lie going.
- Tim was shooting a sketch in Connecticut and saw signs saying things have no home there, like seeing signs against tutus when no one actually wears tutus.
- Gavin showed a photo of actual Proud Boys members at dinner in Los Angeles to demonstrate they're not white, contradicting white supremacist accusations.
- The Daily Beast published an article calling something "multiracial white supremacy," an example of moving goalposts so no evidence can disprove the accusation.
- Gavin notes that African immigrants, Lebanese, Asians, and Jews all outperform white Americans economically in the US, but critics respond that racism is invisible or latent rather than reconsidering their theory.
- When people make false claims about Gavin to Tim, he should deny them, since enemies take jokes out of context and have biased views like Red Sox fans describing the Yankees.
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- 5 min
Tim rants about McDonald's failing to steam the Filet-O-Fish bun properly, then pivots into a raunchy read for delay spray, including a dark riff about a wife who can't orgasm.
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- Tim complains that his Filet-O-Fish had an unsteamed bun, which ruins the sandwich by removing all resistance.
- An unsteamed bun makes him want to walk into McDonald's with an AR-15 and ask why they ignore the menu description.
- Soft, supple Filet-O-Fish is like sex; you want a steamed bun but not a steamed dick.
- Tim introduces Promescent climax control spray, developed by doctors who prioritize male sexual performance over diseases and cancer research.
- You spray Promescent on your dick using patented target zone technology so it doesn't transfer to your partner.
- Promescent is recommended by over 2200 urologists and is the number one sexual enhancer on Amazon with free, discreet shipping.
- Tim describes having to perform sex for 48 minutes while his wife lies like a corpse, unable to orgasm.
- He fantasizes about his heart exploding during sex so blood cascades onto his ungrateful wife's face.
- Tim claims Promescent spray actually works and directs listeners to delayspray.com with promo code TIM15 for 15% off.
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- 8 min
Gavin lays out his views on being called anti-trans, argues biology and gender are linked, criticizes giving hormones to children, compares trans suicide rates to Holocaust-era Jewish suicides, and discusses gay identity versus trans ideology.
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- The label 'anti-trans' gets applied to people who question whether there are 400 genders or who believe biology and gender are linked.
- Gavin points to Desmond the Amazing, a child dancing on a bar while men throw money at him, as child abuse.
- The trans ideology contradicts gay identity: if a gay man is attracted to biological males, someone's gender identity claim doesn't change that reality.
- Tim won't forgive giving hormones to kids, and neither will a lot of people he talks to—that's not anti-trans, it's a position many hold.
- Gavin wrote an article five years ago called 'Transphobia Is Perfectly Natural' about the genuine weirdness of unexpected family transitions at Thanksgiving.
- The core issue: you cannot give children hormones to block puberty because it screws up their development, and Gavin gets in trouble for saying it.
- Transgender suicide rates are extraordinarily high—worse than a grim historical comparison Gavin makes before catching himself.
- Tim makes a Holocaust-dark-joke and immediately notes he can't make jokes like that anymore while already in trouble for the podcast.
- TERFs in Britain are questioning why young lesbians are cutting off their breasts; Gavin suggests teenage girls should try being gay for a while before making permanent decisions.
- Tim asks why very pro-family people aren't having children—redirecting the conversation toward family and reproduction as a different concern.
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- 3 min
Gavin and Tim discuss why wealthy/urban people have fewer kids, Gavin reflects on wishing he'd had more children earlier, and they mock a woman who adopted a pet chicken as a substitute child.
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- Tim claims declining birth rates among wealthy people result from cultural conditioning that degrades motherhood and family.
- Affluence itself drives down birth rates—a pattern visible across Mexico, Japan, and other developing nations as their GDP rises.
- Tim started having kids at 36 and deeply regrets waiting, wishing he'd had five children instead of three.
- His push for people to have kids isn't about demographics or racial concerns—it's about preventing the regret he sees in older single women.
- Tim once believed overpopulation justified not having children, but checking population growth online proved his choice made zero difference.
- Older single women without children are miserable, stuck in denial with their cats as emotional substitutes.
- A woman adopted a chicken in Manhattan, eventually moved to the country to be with it, and treats it like a human child.
- 7 min
Tim runs through a series of absurd hypothetical niche businesses (veteran hairstylist, autistic-kids DJ, tarot card reader for rich housewives) who supposedly need a Wix website, riffing on how his ads differ from phoned-in competitors.
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- Tim explains why he actually puts effort into ad reads instead of phoning them in like other podcasters.
- He's identified his audience's core problems: impotence, suicidal ideation, and anxiety—which is why he recommends CBD and websites.
- Tim argues that people lack self-respect and self-concept because they don't have their own website to park their content.
- Wix's AI program can help anyone build a professional site—he gives the example of a hairstylist who cuts hair for maimed Iraq and Afghanistan veterans.
- A DJ who only plays non-threatening melodic music for autistic children's parties needs a website to advertise that specialized skill.
- Tarot card readers who work with wealthy women whose husbands are bringing home interns need a website to reach their lost clientele.
- Tim makes an exception: stand-up comedians don't need a website—they need a gun.
- He admits he joined Planet Fitness seven years ago for $8,000, went once in Queens where everyone was in a burqa, and never returned.
- Gary Vaynerchuk says everyone has a business inside them, though Tim notes it's usually human trafficking.
- Tim wants to get into the business of running sober houses that actually encourage residents to relapse so insurance will pay out.
- He's serious about partnering in this relapse scam but doesn't know how to get started, so he's asking listeners to DM Wix about it.
- 8 min
Gavin explains how Vice went from countercultural to SJW-dominated after he left, discusses the October 12th Proud Boys/Antifa clash outside his NYC speech, and alleges Antifa acts as DNC-coordinated 'shock troops' ahead of the midterms.
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- Vice started as a Canadian magazine in the mid-90s and grew into a media empire, but transformed from counterculture to mainstream social justice.
- The Proud Boys started as a joke, a fun silly club like the Water Buffalos from The Flintstones, but media desperation to show right-wing violence took it out of context.
- His buddy Jeff is going to jail for 30 days tomorrow because he fought back against Antifa when they ambushed him, despite no victim wanting to press charges.
- On October 12th, something flicked a switch for him when he gave a talk at the Manhattan Republican Club the same night someone got in a fight.
- He believes the DNC orchestrated violence around his Manhattan Republican Club talk, strategically timed before the midterms to shake their reputation for being unhinged and violent.
- Antifa functions as the paramilitary wing and shock troops of the DNC, though the DNC could care less about them beyond occasionally hiring a good lawyer.
- He controlled all Vice content until 2008 and kept the sales team adversarial to editorial so advertising wouldn't corrupt the magazine's edge.
- Once the sales team took over, Vice went SJW because the most lucrative demographic is girls aged 14 to 20, and they believe in gender nonsense and defending pedophiles.
- His wife voted for Hillary and is pro-choice, but the left's harassment and intimidation converted her to distrust them after they terrorized her family and plastered his kid's school with Nazi posters.
- The slippery slope argument that Gavin McInnes leads to David Duke is silly—you could say the same about country music or marijuana supposedly leading to heroin.
- A New York Times article claimed YouTube algorithms radicalize people, but the example showed someone went from Gavin McInnes to watching a liberal woman mocking him and became a liberal.
- The algorithm is blamed for corruption, yet the article's own logic shows it brought someone to liberal content, making the article contradict itself and miss the point entirely.
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- 6 min
Gavin describes how the backlash affected his wife and family, harassment of his local business associates, and debunks a NYT article claiming YouTube algorithms radicalize people.
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- Tim describes a man who was "radicalized" for an hour after watching a Muslim woman's video, then admitted the radicalization didn't stick.
- The claim that dangerous ideas require censorship treats free speech like Victorian Puritanism—you can't make ideas safer by forbidding them.
- One in four American Muslim men ages 18-24 believe suicide bombing is sometimes or often justified, according to polling data Tim cites.
- Statistics claiming white supremacists commit more terrorism than Muslims count interpersonal murders between gang members as "racist terrorism" to inflate the numbers.
- Even by the most generous anti-racist statistics, Muslims commit terrorism at roughly the same rate as the half of the country Trump supporters represent.
- Sikhs, Druze, Mexicans, Armenians, Turks, and Lebanese cultures tend to integrate successfully after a generation—Muslims get more radical as they assimilate.
- Wealthy people support open borders because they benefit from cheap labor for landscapers, nannies, and tutors while living insulated in gated communities.
- The ruling class's cosmopolitanism is just fashion, like aristocrats mourning African suffering while booking safaris—it's performative and disconnected.
- Tim has lunch in Los Angeles with a woman in a BMW who claims she now knows what fascism is like while ordering lobster Benedict.
- Tim's reaction to wealthy people eating expensive brunch while claiming to live under fascism: "these people are out of their fucking mind."
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Gavin cites stats on Muslim radicalization and terrorism comparisons, discusses why elites support open borders, and tells the story of a wealthy LA woman claiming to live under 'fascism' while ordering lobster Benedict.
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- Tim argues that people calling things fascism don't understand what fascism actually is—under real fascism, they'd all be dead for speaking.
- Tim lays out the logical trap of immigration policy: let them in and have no borders, arrest them without separating families, or put kids in cells with criminals.
- Nobody actually knows how many illegal immigrants are in the country—estimates range from 8 million to 8 billion—because people don't care, they're just following fashion.
- When pressed to name one racist thing Trump said, people always respond 'everything' and can't provide a single example.
- Trump's statement about Mexican rapists was specifically about illegal border crossers, where sexual assault is part of the trafficking culture.
- Mexico strategically sends its criminals north as a way to dump its bad elements and free prison space.
- Tim hasn't given up on Trump despite disappointments: the wall isn't built and his kids are involved in government, but the economy is strong and black unemployment is at historic lows.
- Right-wing Trump voters hate Ivanka and Jared Kushner—they didn't vote for a monarchy with the president's family running things.
- The deep platforming by tech companies will either end with everyone starting their own free speech platform or with a corporate-approved serene internet where only safe speech is allowed.
- Only the top 1% can afford to charge people for their own studio and content; regular people need platforms like Twitter to build an audience organically.
- America was founded on the British mistake of allowing dissenting newspapers, which led people to question their government and start a revolution.
- People started replacing 'clown world' with 'honk' after it got banned, but now 'honk' itself is being classified as hate speech.
- His babysitter got dumped by her boyfriend after her dad told him he couldn't date her—peak clown world behavior that would have been unthinkable before.
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Gavin makes controversial claims about rape rates among border crossers, defends Trump's 'they're not sending their best' comments, and voices disappointment over the unbuilt wall and Jared/Ivanka's role in the administration.
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- Tim breaks down the political composition of 1,000 random Americans: roughly 500-500 center-right to center-left, but the media runs 80 percent left including radicals.
- Out of that thousand people, maybe seven are actual Nazis or Holocaust deniers spouting white genocide rhetoric, while the far left pushing 'white people need not apply' policies numbers closer to 200.
- When Tim ran his old site Street Carnage with total free speech, one or two dudes became obsessed with the Jewish Question and Holocaust denial, fixated in a way that dragged down every conversation.
- Twitter did have a real Nazi problem around five years ago with antisemitic caricatures everywhere, and it was justified to remove those accounts because they were genuinely destructive.
- The left took that justified Nazi removal as a template and started calling everyone a Nazi—Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, Alan Dershowitz—turning the category into meaningless political weaponization.
- Tim thinks there was actually less racism when people could be openly racist; he points to his boxing gym where working-class guys trade insults across racial lines and develop genuine friendships through it.
- The real divide isn't racial—it's class. People in writers rooms and Ivy League schools have never worked shitty jobs alongside people from different countries the way working-class folks do constantly.
- AOC is a pond whose scripts are written for her, though she did recently eviscerate a group for charging $13,000 per toilet seat—an old military-industrial scam that dates back to the 1980s.
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Gavin argues that deplatforming comedians and pundits removes society's 'pressure valve,' compares it to cops needing dark humor to cope, name-checks AOC, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib as insincere, praises some on the left like Cornel West and Bill Maher, and pitches his new venture Free Speech TV.
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- Tim criticizes AOC for arguing the government needs more money while listing examples of government waste like $700 pens.
- Cornel West is sophisticated and erudite, unlike the Squad members Tim considers radicals.
- Bill Maher has the courage to criticize his own side, unlike most liberals who won't speak against political correctness.
- Tim's approach on the show: putting people from opposite sides in a room to find they actually disagree on very few things once they have the facts.
- Samantha B is a great person and excellent mother, despite their political disagreements; David Cross donated vacation money to Wounded Warrior Project.
- Tim doesn't have fixed views, just forms hypotheses from data and changes his mind when presented with contradictory evidence.
- Fundamentalist attitudes—whether Christian or Muslim—are bad for thinking and therefore bad for comedy, which requires issue-by-issue analysis.
- Politics has become a refuge for uninteresting people, with Twitter fights consuming the entire lives of those with nothing else to offer.
- Political correctness has wrecked movies and music, but attacking comedians and pundits is dangerous because they're the pressure valve that releases tension in society.
- Comedians function like cops who need to laugh or cry about horrific things; without that release valve, cop suicide rates are rising due to increased scrutiny of their humor.
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- 3 min
Gavin discusses a retired Sarah Silverman joke about a slur, arguing that censorship prevents comedy from lampooning racism and thus gives bigotry more power, tying it to stories of laughing at abusers to strip their authority.
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- Tim asks if he can say the N-word on the show, then explains he's about to discuss it.
- Californica's joke about Arabs and the term 'sand nigger' — a parody of racism that mocks segregation and whites-only beaches that never existed.
- By preventing comedians from lampooning racism, censorship actually gives bigotry more authority and strength rather than undermining it.
- Tim argues that when people could joke around freely, racist ideologies didn't have power, unlike now when they're suppressed and fester.
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Gavin details Free Speech TV's guest lineup (Cornel West, Roger Stone, Ann Coulter, Candace Owens, etc.), they joke about a Gavin gay-interview meme, reflect on how the tense climate stripped the fun from their usual banter, and say goodbye.
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- Tim explains that people critical of platforming him are thinking in a boring, uninteresting way that he rejects.
- Free Speech TV's format: progressives and conservatives paired together, finding common ground first before debating disagreements.
- The speakeasy theme—free speech as prohibited, so they sneak in with a secret code while cops chase them out the back.
- Variety of content on Free Speech TV includes daily news commentary, music history segments, sketches, and a fight with Coppercab.
- Tim's message: people need to start talking to each other and relax about differing opinions.
- Guest notes that when he and Tim hang out normally, they joke about trivial things like people's pants, not global politics.
- Tim hopes future shows will be funnier and less weighed down by the need to debunk myths and defend against accusations.
- Guest describes feeling like he's in a war zone, forced to spend the first hour debunking myths before conversations can relax.
- Tim's closing message: life is too short to be consumed by politics and identity debates.
- Tim references a meme of an African interviewer asking the head of LGBTQ, 'Why are you gay?'
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