Episode 207 · The Ben Avery Era
#207 - Whitney Webb Returns | The Tim Dillon Show
with Whitney Webb
Jul 5, 2020 · 1:47:05 · 382,000 views · 17 segments, 154 moments indexed
Journalist Whitney Webb returns to discuss the arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell, her family ties to the brave heroes of the intelligence community, and how big tech is just trying to keep you safe!
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- 6 min
Tim opens with a mock-earnest sponsor pitch for a new ocean-conservation partner, praising a bubbly Weather Channel-style presenter who talks about Arctic weather data and illegal fishing as the world's biggest hidden problem.
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- Tim announces a new sponsor and explains his love of swimming and the ocean from childhood
- Weather Channel segment begins with a woman presenting Arctic forecasts for the first time on the high seas
- Tim approves of the Weather Channel woman's strategy to build ocean support through familiar media
- Weather Channel presenter reveals that almost half the planet has no weather data collection
- Presenter compares ocean exploration to space exploration, noting fewer people have reached the ocean floor than walked on the moon
- Tim notes the presenter's unfocused style but appreciates that environmental messaging should be fun
- Presenter contrasts the 850 pounds of moon rocks brought back in forty years with 100-130 billion tons of fish extracted annually
- Illegal fishing identified as one of the world's biggest problems, with boats evading detection and permits
- Tim credits the presenter for having the guts to call out illegal fishermen
- 3 min
Tim brings back journalist Whitney Webb to discuss her suspicions about the timing and staging of Ghislaine Maxwell's arrest, including destroyed evidence and a suspicious pre-arrest court order.
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- Tim proposes a hypothetical: would you fly on a plane if only 15 percent communicated with air traffic control?
- The Terramar Project partnership aims to stop illegal fishing on the high seas by tracking who's fishing where they shouldn't.
- Illegal fishermen operate under an omerta-like code of silence, bribing and blackmailing each other over illegal catches nobody reports.
- Whitney Webb returns as a returning favorite writer covering topics for The Last American Vagabond and other publications.
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- 13 min
Webb explains that Maxwell was only charged with enticing minors to travel rather than the sexual abuse the indictment itself describes, and details Bill Barr's family and career links to the CIA, Iran-Contra, and Epstein's old law firm.
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- Tim outlines the timing: federal judge orders destruction of evidence against Maxwell, then she's arrested the next day in New Hampshire.
- The indictment charges Maxwell with enticing minors to travel for sex acts with Epstein, but she's described as also sexually assaulting them—yet faces no molestation charges.
- No mugshot released yet and Maxwell hasn't appeared in federal court for arraignment, which Tim calls abnormal.
- Light charges mean she'll likely post bail and avoid prison unless sentenced after trial, setting up a narrative where she cooperates for reduced time.
- Maxwell was staying with Scott Borgess, whose data analytics company counts Eric Schmidt—the former Google head with Clinton ties—as main investor.
- The In-N-Out Burger photo was orchestrated by her attorney, designed to suggest she was on the West Coast and divert attention from her New Hampshire location.
- Attorney General Bill Barr's father was headmaster of Dalton when he hired Epstein, and Barr's own father worked in intelligence.
- Barr covered up Iran-Contra, pardoned Iran-Contra criminals, and covered up the PROMIS software scandal—in which the Maxwell family was intimately involved.
- Bill Barr forced out Jeffrey Berman, the Southern District DA when Epstein was indicted, less than two weeks before Maxwell's arrest.
- Maxwell may not have been arrested at all if not for competing factions, since Barr potentially had reason to keep her case from moving forward.
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- 5 min
An extended, increasingly apocalyptic riff on the Ridge Wallet sponsor read, imagining people beating each other for money and hiding the wallet in absurd places to avoid detection during coming chaos.
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- Ridge Wallet pitch: minimal front-pocket wallet with 30,000 five-star reviews, comes in titanium, carbon fiber, and aluminum.
- Tim describes Ridge Wallet as providing calm and stability even while being beaten by protesters or police during societal collapse.
- Ridge Wallet's hidden advantage: it can fit in a rectum, under an armpit, in skin folds, between toes, or tucked under the penal organ.
- Wallet bulges make you a target for robbery and murder because people will see cash and kill you for Little Caesars money.
- Ridge Wallet's real selling point is hiding the fact that you even have a wallet, essential for surviving when people will set your body on fire to warm their hands.
- Your own family and community will eventually rise up and strip you of everything you own during the coming collapse.
- Tim recommends arming yourself with military-grade weaponry and mounting a rocket launcher on a disaster car to intimidate people trying to kill you.
- Even your best friend will turn around and stab you to take your wallet once things get bad enough.
- Your own father will stun-gun you and steal your wallet along with your mother as you lie on the floor of the house you grew up in—those boomers don't care.
- 5 min
Tim spins an elaborate fantasy about the Anvil Rings artisan living off-grid in a Colorado canyon, imagining him as a feral, possibly-militia hermit who lights up with joy when a ring order comes in.
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- A ring-maker in a Colorado canyon crafts jewelry from meteorite, whiskey barrel iron, elk antler, Damascus steel, and other materials.
- Tim says the man is on the FBI watch list and it's important he channels his energy into making rings instead of joining a militia.
- After a socially distanced date at Chili's, you can give your lover a whiskey barrel ring from this artisan.
- Tim imagines the ring-maker as a bearded figure living in a shack with a studio, subsisting on canned food and a cot.
- When a ring order arrives, his eyes light up and he drinks moonshine, then by moonlight smites a beautiful ring to send to St. Louis.
- The man sits on his bed with a raggedy burned blanket, has flashbacks of Vietnam he never served in, waiting for ring orders.
- Hipsters on day hikes in the woods bump into this real American with no fingerprints and run away screaming, but he only wants to make them rings for their Williamsburg bars.
- An old warlock of a man makes the rings in Colorado, and the show partners with him because he shares their values.
- The rings are a great gift for your dad, mom, brother, sister, best friend, or fiancé—they look far more expensive than they cost.
- Head to anvilrings.com and use promo code Tim to get 20% off; you don't have to find the man's dilapidated fan in the brush clearing.
- 7 min
Webb details Ghislaine's father Robert Maxwell's extensive ties to Israeli intelligence, his role in arms smuggling before Israel's founding, and his funeral attended by Mossad chiefs.
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- Robert Maxwell wasn't just linked to Israeli intelligence—he was a spy involved with Israel before the state was even founded, smuggling weapons and airplane parts.
- Six former and current heads of Israeli intelligence attended Maxwell's funeral, with the prime minister giving the eulogy and praising his service to Israel.
- Maxwell was involved in major Israeli espionage operations including the PROMIS software scandal, Iran-Contra, and the entrapment of nuclear weapons whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu.
- PROMIS software was developed by Bill and Nancy Hamilton and sold to the Department of Justice, then stolen by Reagan administration officials who built in a backdoor for Israeli intelligence.
- Maxwell used a Mossad tech front company called Degem to sell the compromised PROMIS software to governments, intelligence agencies, banks, and sensitive U.S. National Laboratories in New Mexico.
- Clinton orbit figures including Jackson Stevens and his company Systematics, tied to Hillary Clinton's Rose Law Firm, were involved in the PROMIS software distribution scheme.
- The PROMIS backdoor gave Israeli intelligence access to any computer running the software, meaning the U.S. government essentially allowed Israel to spy on sensitive American databases.
- Maxwell was a major British media mogul who owned multiple newspapers in the UK and Israel, and tried unsuccessfully to build a TV empire while jealous of Rupert Murdoch.
- Tim jokes about the guest always appearing to be in a safe house with planes and motorcycles in the background, imagining drone strikes after each interview.
- Maxwell infiltrated British high society while working as an Israeli spy, demonstrating Mossad's skill at deep infiltration—they've even placed agents as high as Syrian defense minister.
- Seymour Hersh wrote about Maxwell's activities; he's discussed in 'The Samson Option' about Israel's nuclear weapons program and Maxwell's involvement in capturing whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu.
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- 4 min
Webb explains how stolen PROMIS software with a built-in backdoor was sold worldwide by Robert Maxwell and Reagan-era officials, giving Israeli intelligence access to sensitive US and foreign computer systems.
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- Chris and Isabelle, the Maxwell twin sisters, received little attention despite their involvement in intelligence and tech industry scandals.
- Kristine Maxwell worked with a shady counterterrorism software program installed on CIA, FBI, and NSA databases, while her father sold PROMIS software to the same agencies.
- The sisters co-created Magellan, one of the first search engines in the mid-nineties, with Ghislaine Maxwell and her brother Kevin Maxwell holding stakes in the company.
- Robert Maxwell stole hundreds of millions from his employees' pension funds, money that had come from Assad and Mossad backers.
- Maxwell used the pension funds on behalf of Mossad to finance operations in Europe, then returned the money—until he started keeping it for himself due to his lavish lifestyle and taste for prostitutes.
- After Robert Maxwell's death, the twin sisters moved to Silicon Valley and developed Magellan, which was eventually sold to Excite before Google made it obsolete.
- Christine Maxwell created Chiliad, a data analysis software heavily promoted after 9/11 as the only program capable of connecting intelligence dots that supposedly explained the attacks.
- The 9/11 Commission gave Chiliad the only A-grade for counterterrorism and counterintelligence software, leading to its installation on sensitive U.S. databases.
- John Lehman, the 9/11 Commission member who pushed hardest for Chiliad, was Reagan's Secretary of the Navy and a frequent guest on Robert Maxwell's yacht.
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- 6 min
Webb describes Ghislaine's sisters Christine and Isabel Maxwell building the Magellan search engine and later Chiliad, a data-analysis company that got embedded in US intelligence databases after 9/11.
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- Isabel Maxwell ran CommTouch (now Siren), an Israeli company whose software is integrated into Microsoft Windows, Google, and Dell computers worldwide
- Epstein rebranded as a tech investor around 2012, cultivating relationships with Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, and Sergey Brin while claiming to have blackmail on Silicon Valley elites
- Epstein funded Carbine 9/11, chaired by Ehud Barak, former head of Israeli military intelligence, who visited Epstein's island and apartments containing underage Eastern European girls
- Intelligence agencies have shifted from honeypot operations like those on Epstein's Island to digital blackmail as the new battleground for information and power
- Maxwell's Israel venture capital firm is backed by Leela Capital Partners, composed of former members of Israel's Unit 8200 military intelligence who only invest in companies staffed by Israeli intelligence operatives
- In 2012, Israeli intelligence began policy of privatizing operations previously conducted in-house by Mossad, spinning them off to private companies like Black Cube, whose former chairman was Meir Dagan, head of Mossad
- Cyber Reason's CEO explicitly describes his cybersecurity work as a continuation of his Unit 8200 role hacking nation-states, and the company now runs on Pentagon, CIA, and NSA computers
- Chiliad's operations as a US government contractor wound down in 2012, coinciding with the Israeli policy shift toward privatized intelligence operations
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- 11 min
Webb lays out how Epstein rebranded as a tech investor around 2012, cultivating Silicon Valley elites while Israeli intelligence began spinning off Mossad-linked operations into private tech and cybersecurity companies like Carbyne and Cybereason.
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- Tim notes that Ghislaine Maxwell's daughters run software companies selling to the US government while she ran a honeypot with Epstein.
- The guest explains her focus on undercovered stories, many involving Israel, which U.S. outlets largely ignore.
- Unit 8200 and Mossad-connected companies have U.S. and British intelligence members on their boards and as investors.
- Criticizing Mossad for running an intelligence operation is no different than criticizing the CIA for the same.
- Robert Maxwell's other children include Kevin and Ian, who recently created a think tank on combating jihadist extremism.
- Ian Maxwell was listed as director of 31 companies in 90s reports; Kevin Maxwell had around 22, many of which went bankrupt.
- Ghislaine Maxwell obtained control of Maxwell Corporate Gifts after her father's death, allowing her to move money around despite supposed poverty.
- Tim asks why Ghislaine got assigned the pedophile ring while her siblings were given tech companies and front companies.
- Before working with Epstein in 1991, Ghislaine dated men with ties to pedophile networks, including Harvey Proctor's associate and an Italian count with intelligence connections.
- Ghislaine threw a Save the Children gala at a British noble's house in 1985; the host's son was found dead hanging shortly after.
- Tim refuses to donate to charities broadly, noting organizations like Save the Children are involved in shady activities.
- Ray-Con earbuds offer six hours of battery life, better than Apple's competing product.
- Get 15% off Ray-Con earbuds using the code TIM at raycon.com/tim.
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- 1 min
A relatively straightforward sponsor read for Ray-Con wireless earbuds, touting battery life and celebrity co-founders.
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- Tim endorses Ray-Con wireless earbuds and mentions they fund the show's work.
- Tim recalls his childhood obsession with Lucky Charms cereal despite his parents refusing to buy it.
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- 5 min
Tim pitches Magic Spoon cereal as a healthy alternative to sugary kids' cereal, spinning off into a dark joke about Jeffrey Epstein's supposed final meal before his death.
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- Magic Spoon cereal tastes exactly like Froot Loops but is keto-friendly, gluten-free, grain-free, and low-carb.
- If you have children and don't feed them Magic Spoon instead of grocery store garbage, you're committing child abuse.
- Jeffrey Epstein's last meal was Magic Spoon cereal; he said it was so good that nothing else was worth living for and hung himself right after.
- Grocery store cereals aimed at kids are grotesque — s'mores pudding pops with Jolly Ranchers sauce deep-fried — whereas Magic Spoon is something children will actually remember.
- Magic Spoon is perfect if you're trying to get in shape for summer, which is good because by next summer the oceans will be running with blood.
- Tim won't speak to his parents until they start eating Magic Spoon cereal because he's the most honest person in the country.
- 6 min
Tim and Webb discuss whether blackmail and abuse function as a control mechanism among elite families, comparing the Maxwells, Bronfmans, and others to mafia-style organized crime families.
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- Tim asks if having millions of dollars and sex with children is the organizing principle of how the planet is run.
- The guest explains that people in the Epstein network have histories of blackmail, organized crime ties, or intelligence connections.
- Wealthy elite families like the Bronfmans operate with extreme paranoia and surveillance, similar to mob families.
- Tim's guest compares elite power dynamics to Game of Thrones, where information and blackmail serve as currency among wealthy families constantly jockeying for position.
- The guest describes pedophilia as one possible cost of admission to elite circles, alongside financial crime and infiltrating government agencies.
- Sexual blackmail operations involving children date back to the 1940s, establishing this as a longstanding institutional practice.
- Tim asks sarcastically whether any rich person has ever chosen brunch over raping children.
- Tim states that evil satanic pedophile cabals are bipartisan and his audience should understand both the Clintons and Trump are implicated.
- The guest explains that the official stories about Trump and Clinton involvement are superficial and require unpacking their deeper relationships to the network.
- Clinton's involvement with Iran-Contra through Mena, Arkansas and relationships with CIA figures like Bill Casey and Bill Barr predates his presidency.
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- 7 min
Webb details Epstein and Maxwell's ties to the Clintons dating to 1993, including unsupervised White House visits and a 1995 letter mentioning Epstein directly to Bill Clinton, with Maria Farmer's account of preparations for a presidential visit.
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- Epstein and Maxwell officially teamed up in New York in 1991, then attended Clinton donor dinners as soon as he became president in 1993.
- Jeffrey Epstein made several White House visits that same year and met with the White House chief of staff on multiple occasions.
- Lynn Forrester de Rothschild sent a 1995 letter to Bill Clinton discussing currency stabilization and Jeffrey Epstein during a brief 15-second window of access.
- Maria Farmer recalled occasions where staff prepared all day for Clinton's visit, with only Epstein's personal chef and the girls allowed in—no security detail for a sitting president.
- Tim speculates that elites like the Clintons won't face real consequences because the Epstein story will get buried in the news cycle.
- Charges against Ghislaine Maxwell are lighter than those Epstein faced, making her bail likely despite being a flight risk.
- Prosecutors chose specific time periods for Maxwell's charges that exclude Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, and Bill Clinton from official involvement.
- Maria Farmer witnessed Donald Trump going out with Ghislaine Maxwell and recruiting preteen girls in school uniforms for Epstein.
- Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago for hitting on an underage girl, establishing a longer history between them.
- In the 1980s, Epstein, Trump, and a man named Tom Barrett were called the three musketeers of New York nightlife, involved in shady real estate deals together.
- Maria Farmer reported that Trump gave her a disturbing look at an event, implying he was looking for a different type of girl than her.
- A woman accused Trump of raping her at an event with Epstein in 1994, part of various claims surrounding their relationship based on real estate activities.
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- 6 min
Webb explains Trump's overlapping social and real-estate circles with Epstein in the 1980s-90s, an alleged incident involving a disturbing comment from Epstein about a girl, and the property dispute that reportedly soured their relationship.
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- Trump stole a Palm Beach property from Epstein that Epstein wanted for money laundering, then sold it to a Russian billionaire who demolished it.
- After being kicked out of Mar-a-Lago, Epstein allegedly tried to set Trump up with a minor as retaliation for the property theft.
- Bill Barr's daughter works as a DOJ prosecutor on drug trafficking despite her father's CIA involvement in Iran-Contra arms and drug trafficking.
- The NXIVM group was co-founded by the Bronfmans and Leslie Wexler, with members tied to organized crime syndicates connected to the CIA.
- Ronald Lauder, close friend of Trump, single-handedly got Benjamin Netanyahu elected as Israeli prime minister in 1996.
- Paul Singer, hedge fund manager and Republican donor, created Startup Nation Central in 2012 to transfer US tech jobs to Israel.
- Israel is building surveillance infrastructure for total data collection that the US government is helping to implement.
- Carbyne911, a company Epstein invested in, was directed by Ehud Barak, former Israeli military intelligence chief and prime minister accused of pedophilia.
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- 9 min
Webb details the Ehud Barak-chaired company Carbyne 911, which pulls smartphone data during emergency calls to predict future crime involvement, tying it to Peter Thiel's Palantir and broader Israeli-tied surveillance infrastructure in the US.
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- Peter Thiel's Palantir is a major investor in Carbyne and has been practicing predictive policing in New Orleans.
- Palantir has a creepy feature: labeling people as "subversive" to track their activities.
- Carbyne 911 claims to solve America's fragmented county-by-county emergency system with a centralized next-generation platform.
- When you call Carbyne 911, operators see your camera feed and geolocation, and all phone data gets uploaded to their database.
- The system uses AI to analyze your entire phone history and predict if you'll be near crime scenes, become a victim, or commit crimes in the future.
- Carbyne has expanded beyond 911 to offer remote government services and partnered with the IRS and DMV.
- Diagnostic Robotics applies the same predictive pre-crime technology to coronavirus and lockdowns, already partnered with Rhode Island.
- Contact tracing justified for COVID was repurposed by law enforcement to track protest participants during civil unrest.
- Diagnostic Robotics' founder developed AI to predict future health outbreaks and also future riots and civil unrest.
- The software labels people as "coronavirus patients at risk of exposure" and is building a system for government to mandate medical treatment and vaccines through smartphone access.
- Whitney Webb reports that Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell's family members focused on tech development as the final frontier for intelligence operations.
- Intelligence agencies are funding both sides of social movements to create chaos, justifying the imposition of order by force.
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- 7 min
Webb describes Cybereason's simulations of terrorist attacks on Election Day 2020 and argues intelligence-linked companies benefit from fostering political division to justify future crackdowns.
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- Simulations of terrorist attacks on election day 2020 involving cyber attacks on power grids, sewage systems, and self-driving cars, conducted by a company tied to Israeli and US intelligence.
- The company running these simulations has nothing to gain financially and doesn't even target the election machines their own software operates on.
- Unit 8200 explained: Israel's military signals intelligence agency, essentially their version of the NSA.
- The Kaspersky antivirus backdoor story originated from Unit 8200 claims to US officials, leading to Kaspersky's ban and CyberReason's replacement.
- New York's power grid and hydroelectric dams are currently operated by US-Israeli state-owned military contractors.
- The left-right political divide in America is a distraction; both parties support endless war, the Federal Reserve, and the Israel lobby regardless of who's in power.
- Both billionaires and intelligence agencies control both sides of the political spectrum, making disagreements limited to a handful of social issues.
- Israeli intelligence operates with impunity because the US media barely covers them, making them perfect cover for operations that could be on behalf of US intelligence.
- Journalist Chris Ketchum investigated Israeli espionage and continuity of government programs before his magazine Radar was shut down, with Jeffrey Epstein as a major shareholder.
- Intelligence agencies claiming to defend America, Israel, or the UK actually prevent citizens from exercising control over their government by stacking the deck against representative democracy.
- Elites blackmailing each other and controlling the media through intelligence operations make meaningful democratic representation impossible.
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- 7 min
Webb frames the CIA's history as that of an organized crime syndicate protecting illicit interests, warns that Ghislaine Maxwell may still avoid real punishment, and closes by directing listeners to her Patreon and upcoming book and podcast episode on the Maxwell family.
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- The CIA functions as an organized criminal network since its creation, protecting business interests in drug running, arms trafficking, and human trafficking.
- The CIA's first director worked for Sullivan and Cromwell before the agency existed, conducting coups abroad for corporate clients—including the overthrow in Panama over banana interests.
- Presidents and officials who challenge the CIA's interests have historically been assassinated or removed, from Kennedy to Reagan to MLK.
- The enemy isn't left or right politically—it's the criminals at the top who orchestrated this system and have gotten away with it for decades.
- The country is coming apart because these officials have taken all the money and denied people basic liberties until reaching a tipping point where people are broke and angry.
- Gheislaine Maxwell could potentially avoid jail time and end up back in an estate in Europe, which is why political pressure is critical.
- The charges against Maxwell for enticing minors to travel are inadequate—she's a serial pedophile and sex trafficker who deserves life in prison, not token charges.
- People knew Maxwell was brandishing whips and training young girls in sex techniques before Epstein was arrested, yet authorities claim to be investigating in good faith decades later.
- The two-tier justice system allows someone like Maxwell, admitted in the indictment to be a pedophile rapist, to face lighter charges while ordinary people get locked up for minor possession.
- Whitney Webb's upcoming book 'One Nation Under Blackmail' will cover the Epstein scandal in depth, available through her Patreon along with her podcast Unlimited Hangout.
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