Interview · moment 17 of 25
Post-9/11 CIA Culture and the Abu Zubaydah Torture Program
from Our Best Episode (Inside the CIA with John Kiriakou) · #136
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8 minGuest
Kiriakou describes volunteering for Pakistan post-9/11, the CIA's total lack of interrogation training, being offered torture training in 2002, and the brutal escalation of Abu Zubaydah's waterboarding and cockroach-cage treatment.
- 1:16:08Post-9/11 FBI protocol: captured suspects in foreign countries were turned over to the FBI because the investigation was still open.
- 1:16:42Tim's guest describes being offered training in enhanced interrogation techniques in May 2002 and asking what that meant.
- 1:17:14The CIA officer outlines ten torture techniques including waterboarding, extreme heat, stress positions, and sleep deprivation.
- 1:17:38A senior officer warns the guest that torture is a slippery slope and someone will eventually go to prison for it.
- 1:18:24Tim notes that no congressional investigation, Justice Department investigation, or ceremonial commission was ever established despite deaths during CIA interrogations.
- 1:19:44Abu Zubaydah was shot by a Pakistani policeman and took months to recover before interrogation could begin.
- 1:20:18FBI agent Ali Sufan used rapport-building interrogation methods and obtained actionable intelligence from Abu Zubaydah.
- 1:21:08CIA director George Tenet asked President Bush to remove the FBI from the country, and Bush complied.
- 1:21:59After the FBI left, the CIA waterboarded Abu Zubaydah 83 times, escalating immediately to the most severe technique on day one.
- 1:23:08Tim's guest explains the CIA believed Abu Zubaydah was the crown jewel of Al Qaeda intelligence, confusing him with a different operative living in Montana.
tortureAbu ZubaydahBarack ObamaAbu GhraibAli SufanGeorge TenetCIAAl-QaedaPresident BushDonald RumsfeldPakistanFBI