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Post-9/11 CIA Culture and the Abu Zubaydah Torture Program

from Our Best Episode (Inside the CIA with John Kiriakou) · #136

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Kiriakou describes volunteering for Pakistan post-9/11, the CIA's total lack of interrogation training, being offered torture training in 2002, and the brutal escalation of Abu Zubaydah's waterboarding and cockroach-cage treatment.

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  • 1:16:08Post-9/11 FBI protocol: captured suspects in foreign countries were turned over to the FBI because the investigation was still open.
  • 1:16:42Tim's guest describes being offered training in enhanced interrogation techniques in May 2002 and asking what that meant.
  • 1:17:14The CIA officer outlines ten torture techniques including waterboarding, extreme heat, stress positions, and sleep deprivation.
  • 1:17:38A senior officer warns the guest that torture is a slippery slope and someone will eventually go to prison for it.
  • 1:18:24Tim notes that no congressional investigation, Justice Department investigation, or ceremonial commission was ever established despite deaths during CIA interrogations.
  • 1:19:44Abu Zubaydah was shot by a Pakistani policeman and took months to recover before interrogation could begin.
  • 1:20:18FBI agent Ali Sufan used rapport-building interrogation methods and obtained actionable intelligence from Abu Zubaydah.
  • 1:21:08CIA director George Tenet asked President Bush to remove the FBI from the country, and Bush complied.
  • 1:21:59After the FBI left, the CIA waterboarded Abu Zubaydah 83 times, escalating immediately to the most severe technique on day one.
  • 1:23:08Tim's guest explains the CIA believed Abu Zubaydah was the crown jewel of Al Qaeda intelligence, confusing him with a different operative living in Montana.
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tortureAbu ZubaydahBarack ObamaAbu GhraibAli SufanGeorge TenetCIAAl-QaedaPresident BushDonald RumsfeldPakistanFBI

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