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Is Trump Actually Emblematic of New York? Comparing to Bush and Cohen
from Bavarian Cream Pie · #127
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9 minTim argues Trump was never a serious New York business figure compared to Rockefeller or Vanderbilt, more a Vegas/Atlantic City character who broke big via reality TV, then compares Michael Cohen's amateur fixing to the more sophisticated cover-ups of the Bush family.
- 54:09Tim contrasts H.W. Bush's intelligence background with Trump's approach of corruption and paying people off.
- 54:27Trump as a real estate developer in New York made people money, but his presidency threw the country into chaos.
- 54:44Tim argues Trump never mattered in a meaningful business sense—he was more of a character.
- 55:15Trump is emblematic of Atlantic City or Vegas, not New York, with his gaudy over-the-top style that repulsed many.
- 55:55Trump came into his own through reality television, epitomizing the cocaine cowboy 80s era.
- 57:09Every capitalist system needs that gross guy who owns casinos, develops condos, and has been married five times.
- 57:57When people talk about New York business history, they reference Rockefeller, Carnegie, Vanderbilt, and hedge fund guys—not Trump in any meaningful way.
- 59:01Russian oligarchs, gangsters, and actors warmed to Trump's brand, but not New York society or major real estate developers.
- 1:00:59George Bush got away with lying about weapons of mass destruction and still won reelection, but Trump can't get past his wall promise.
- 1:02:31Tim sees no path to victory for Trump unless Democrats nominate someone ridiculous.
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