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Long Island Culture, Debate Team, and Likability vs. Being Right

from Underground Economy · #34

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6 min

Tim riffs on Long Island's proud ignorance, his debate team success and friend Kenny, then pivots into a discussion with Ray about George W. Bush's social intelligence and why being right or well-researched (citing Seymour Hersh, Jeremy Scahill, Chomsky) isn't enough without likability or media savvy.

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  • 34:38Long Island is the only place where people proudly tell you what they don't know and find it hilarious.
  • 34:57Tim joined the debate team at Nassau Community College where he met Trent Webb, a funny and brilliant Black gay guy who had a huge impact on him.
  • 35:28Met Kenny on the debate team, who later got Tim into mortgages before going to jail for a while.
  • 35:38Tim won gold medals in debate competitions against kids going to Ivy League schools.
  • 36:02Nassau people are rich and dumb, with terrible high school transcripts despite being able to afford private colleges.
  • 36:40George W. Bush wouldn't have gone to Yale without his family name, but he has social intelligence that gets you further than pure intelligence in life.
  • 37:07Tim beat Ivy League debate kids on likability rather than being right.
  • 37:22Many outsider journalists and commentators on the show aren't likeable salesmen and don't present ideas in exciting ways people want to listen to.
  • 37:41Being logical and reasonable isn't enough in this climate; the way you present information matters more than just being right.
  • 38:28Friend pointed out that activists need to co-opt marketing and multimedia strategies like other movements do, not just hand out flyers and hope people listen.
  • 39:23Researchers and documentarians feel correct because they've done the work, but you still have to find a way to exist in the current climate.
  • 39:40Ann Coulter and Milo are more reasonable versions of provocateurs who actually get listened to compared to figures like Chomsky or Seymour Hersh.
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Long IslandGeorge W. BushTrent WebbKennyNoam ChomskySeymour HershSuffolkJeremy ScahillNassau

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