Interview · moment 2 of 13
Gavin on Deplatforming, Trump, and the Proud Boys 'Tutu' Analogy
from Episode 153 - Gavin McInnes · #153
9 min
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Gavin discusses being banned from social media, argues the left invented the 'Trump is a Nazi' narrative out of desperation, uses an elaborate 'tutu' analogy to mock how false claims about him get repeated as fact, and defends the Proud Boys as originally a joke.
- Gavin started Vice in 1994 and has seen many waves of cultural panic come and go, like the PMRC claiming rock and roll would ruin kids.
- Tim argues the real problem with deplatforming isn't missing Twitter itself but that someone else controls the conversation and decides who gets to speak.
- People accuse Gavin of being a Nazi and white supremacist, but those who know him personally have never experienced that.
- Gavin claims the left realized they have no real candidates or policies, so they went all-in on portraying Trump as a Nazi rather than running on infrastructure or healthcare.
- Tim traveled the country doing comedy before Trump's win and found his supporters were working-class people from places like Ohio with real concerns, not white supremacists.
- Gavin explains the Proud Boys started as a satirical men's club based on a joke, with offshoots like the Margarita Boys who only wear shirts and drink margaritas.
- Gavin offers an analogy: if Tim Dylan succeeded because he's an effeminate gay man in a tutu, and you competed by claiming to hate gay people, people would still say Tim doesn't wear tutus and you'd have to ban them to keep the lie going.
- Tim was shooting a sketch in Connecticut and saw signs saying things have no home there, like seeing signs against tutus when no one actually wears tutus.
- Gavin showed a photo of actual Proud Boys members at dinner in Los Angeles to demonstrate they're not white, contradicting white supremacist accusations.
- The Daily Beast published an article calling something "multiracial white supremacy," an example of moving goalposts so no evidence can disprove the accusation.
- Gavin notes that African immigrants, Lebanese, Asians, and Jews all outperform white Americans economically in the US, but critics respond that racism is invisible or latent rather than reconsidering their theory.
- When people make false claims about Gavin to Tim, he should deny them, since enemies take jokes out of context and have biased views like Red Sox fans describing the Yankees.
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