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Bonus Episode: Tim Talks To Gen Z
May 2, 2023 · 29:58 · 454,000 views · 10 segments, 66 moments indexed
Tim speaks with TikTokers Chris Mowrey and Harry Sisson about why they're forgoing their youth to make political social media content.
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- 2 min
Tim describes discovering young pro-Biden TikTok/Twitter personalities who scream passionately into their phones, jokes about trying to book David Hogg unsuccessfully, and introduces his guests Harry and Chris who agreed to come on the show.
5moments
- Tim scrolls Twitter and finds young people screaming about Biden in what seems like either genuine enthusiasm or elaborate trolling.
- These Gen Z kids actually love Biden, unlike the typical Nazi contingent Tim usually sees online complaining about their band teachers.
- Tim has been trying to book David Hogg on the show, but Hogg refuses to appear and Tim doesn't know why.
- Tim describes the Biden-supporting Gen Z guests as freaks who are just screaming and yelling about Biden and their generation.
- The Gen Z guests were told by many people not to appear on Tim's show, but decided to do it anyway for fun.
- 1 min
Tim grills Harry and Chris about accusations they're paid DNC shills, and they deny ever receiving DNC money despite viral attention on the claim.
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- Tim accuses his guests of being DNC shills because they make passionate videos about Biden, a man 60 years their senior.
- Guest confirms Biden is 80 years old, establishing the age gap Tim is using to mock their support.
- Guest denies they're paid DNC shills and calls it a conspiracy crafted on Twitter, stating they've never received DNC money.
- 3 min
The guests explain their passion stems from growing up post-9/11 amid wars and recessions, defend their cringey AR-15 videos, and debate gun control and whether guns represent freedom versus danger.
5moments
- Tim argues that societies crumble when women and young people get involved in politics, comparing it to the Hitler Youth.
- Guest explains Gen Z's political passion: born after 9/11, lived through wars and recessions, feel constantly screwed.
- Tim concedes sympathy for school shooting trauma but dismisses Gen Z's other political concerns.
- Tim points out the cringe factor in Gen Z activist content, citing aggressive rhetoric about Joe Biden.
- Guest's anti-AR-15 advocacy has backfired, actually driving gun sales as people buy more rifles in response to him.
- 2 min
Tim presses the guests on why they never criticize Democrats and only attack Trump, and Chris admits criticizing Hakeem Jeffries lost him followers, calling Democrats 'horrible at their jobs.'
7moments
- Young people are traumatized by gun violence and fear going to schools, movie theaters, and malls.
- Tim agrees there should be more gun restrictions but acknowledges guns are part of some people's culture and how they protect their families.
- A few years ago there were riots in most major American cities for two months, with people calling to defund and abolish police.
- People think AR-15s may be necessary because things might degenerate further without them.
- Tim calls the catastrophizing of the United States 'the new name of the show.'
- 95% of Americans agree with universal background checks as a starting point for gun regulation.
- Tim says if he spoke to ISIS, he would agree with a lot of what they said if they made good points.
- 3 min
Harry runs down Biden's policy achievements (American Rescue Plan, infrastructure, Ketanji Brown Jackson's Supreme Court seat, insulin cap, low unemployment) while Tim pushes back on inflation and inequality.
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- Young people feel compelled to get involved in politics through social media because they're more connected to the world than ever.
- Generational anger at Donald Trump stems from watching him lie on TV constantly starting at age 15.
- Trump operates on a propaganda level that is distinct from typical politician dishonesty.
- American government has been dishonest with its citizens for a very long time.
- Political commentary online feels like cheerleading for one side rather than introspective criticism of both parties.
- Criticizing Democrats in short-form social media loses followers and undermines reaching the other side.
- Democrats are horrible at their jobs and do shitty things, yet the speaker still votes for them.
- The lesser of two evils argument reflects where most American voters actually are on both parties.
- Young people yelling about politics lack the life experience to understand the complexity they're addressing.
- 7 min
The conversation shifts hard into foreign policy: Tim argues U.S. support for Ukraine includes backing units with Nazi affiliations, questions Ukraine's banning of pro-Russian parties as undemocratic, and debates whether NATO expansion provoked Russia.
10moments
- Tim mocks young political activists on Twitter for screaming about politics instead of doing drugs and getting laid.
- Guest argues human truths run deeper than politics, describing political operatives as vacant-eyed young guys in suits collecting photos with Trump or Biden.
- Guest pitches Joe Biden's presidency as highly productive, citing infrastructure deals, judicial nominees, and the first Black woman on the Supreme Court.
- Tim pushes back on qualifications rhetoric, arguing that Trump appointees like Amy Coney Barrett were also qualified.
- Tim questions what Biden has actually done for struggling people without healthcare or food security, calling the policies establishment Democrat middle-of-the-road.
- Tim challenges whether it's sane foreign policy to have a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine, push China and Russia together, and isolate the nuclear superpower.
- Tim asks the guest to explain the nuance behind children having a constitutional right to puberty-blocking hormones.
- Guest defends supporting Ukraine despite the Azov Battalion and special forces being avowed Nazis, framing it as opposing an anti-democracy enemy invading a pro-democracy ally.
- Tim points out that Ukraine banned pro-Russian parties after the last election, questioning whether that actually constitutes democracy.
- Tim suggests American foreign policy isn't actually about spreading democracy but about preventing Russia from getting stronger, and notes that isolating Russia has pushed it into an alliance with China.
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- 5 min
Tim argues the war has cornered Russia into two bad outcomes (defeat or nuclear escalation), accuses former Iraq War neocons like Bill Kristol of now being Democratic allies pushing endless war, and questions America's vital interest in Ukraine.
10moments
- Russia faces only two outcomes: demoralizing defeat and a coup against Putin, or nuclear weapons use—with no off-ramp for them to save face.
- The U.S. and Ukraine have reached out for peace talks, but the reported discouragement of Chinese mediation undermines that effort.
- If the U.S. truly wanted peace, it would condition weapons funding on negotiations rather than flooding Ukraine indefinitely.
- Trump's four years saw fewer foreign entanglements and no major Russia-China crisis compared to current neocon-driven Democratic policy.
- Iraq War supporters like Bill Kristol now drive Biden's bellicose foreign policy from MSNBC and the administration.
- What is America's vital national security interest in Ukraine, and shouldn't those billions be spent on domestic problems like Detroit?
- Defense contractors get rich while American cities crumble—the same pattern from twenty years in Iraq.
- Biden's handled domestic policy better, but his foreign policy is a mess and he's likely prolonging the Ukraine conflict unnecessarily.
- If Ukraine wins, it could take another five years of bloodshed against a nuclear power with no clear endgame.
- The U.S. is now fighting a proxy war using NATO weapons, making it murky whether Russia and NATO are directly engaged.
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- 3 min
Tim jokes about sending the guests to Kyiv to scream into their phones at Putin, they discuss plans for 2024 content, where to follow them, and joke about Joe Biden's age and mental state.
6moments
- Tim mocks Gen Z activists yelling at Putin from Poland, suggesting they scream about Nazis and threaten him from thousands of miles away.
- Asked if the plan is just screaming into phones through the entire 2024 election, the guests confirm that's essentially it for now.
- Tim jokes about eventually inviting these guys to Bohemian Grove where they'll scream at the wrong crowd and everyone will wonder why they were invited.
- Tim criticizes Democrats and Biden supporters for staying in bubbles instead of going on shows with people who disagree with them.
- Biden is productive and passes policy good for young people, though Tim sarcastically suggests nuclear war might be even better for them.
- The middle ground on Ukraine: hoping nuclear war doesn't happen while believing current U.S. policy there is foolhardy and destabilizing.
- 4 min
Tim argues NATO's stated peacekeeping mission is propaganda masking American imperial control, comparing it to claiming America's mission is democracy, while the guests defend NATO as a defensive alliance and warn about Russian aggression.
8moments
- Tim argues that if Ukraine's spring offensive fails, Americans will demand answers about why billions went there instead of at home.
- He acknowledges Ukraine is tougher than expected and that he doesn't want them invaded, but insists on viewing the world as it is rather than how he'd prefer it.
- The money sent to Ukraine is the reason Russia isn't currently threatening Poland, Tim claims, framing it as the best case scenario.
- Guest counters that NATO expanded by adding countries that requested membership, rejecting the encirclement framing.
- Tim pushes back: the real question is NATO's purpose and how Russia will rationally respond to being encircled by a nuclear power.
- Guest says NATO's mission is peace, but Tim translates that as American Empire dominance—peace defined by American control, not genuine neutrality.
- Russia has been invaded repeatedly throughout history and can't be treated like Iraq; you can't simply remove the dictator and expect stability.
- America's stated mission of democracy is hollow—the real mission is control and power, just as NATO's is control, not peace.
- 1 min
Tim plugs his St. Petersburg live show and tour dates, and the guests give their social media handles before a final joke about political ratio wars.
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- Tim announces live tour dates in St. Petersburg at the opera house, noting there's a language barrier.
- Tour info: TimDillonComedy.com, follow Harry J Sisen and Chris Mauy on social media.
- Tim jokes about getting ratioed on Twitter and threatens to have his people ratio back, dismissing it as politics.