Episode 283 · The Ben Avery Era
#283 - Joe Rogan | The Tim Dillon Show
with Joe Rogan
Jan 11, 2022 · 1:32:13 · 1,700,000 views · 28 segments, 186 moments indexed
Tim Dillon sits down with Joe Rogan in the JRE studio in Austin, TX.
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- 3 min
Fame, Money, and Comedians Losing Their Minds
#Tim and Joe open discussing how sudden fame and money have made even non-famous celebrities reach out to Joe for COVID advice, and how comedians in particular tend to go insane once too famous, losing the grounding that keeps them sane.
6moments
- Joe receives messages from random celebrities asking for COVID advice.
- Joe overcame impostor syndrome around famous people and now feels comfortable meeting them as equals.
- Comedians perform best when known but not too famous, to avoid scrutiny from non-fans.
- Fame itself is an unnatural state of existence that drives people insane.
- Surrounding yourself with people who won't tell you the truth accelerates the mental decline of famous people.
- Maintaining sanity requires doing something genuinely difficult that doesn't care if you're famous, like working out or playing chess.
- 1 min
The Trans MMA Fighter Debate
#Joe explains his actual position on trans athletes in MMA and swimming, arguing biological male advantages don't disappear with hormone therapy, using the U Penn swimmer and a trans MMA fighter as examples.
3moments
- The trans MMA criticism wasn't valid—people just don't want any criticism of trans people whatsoever, Tim says.
- MMA is actually one of the best places for trans athletes because opponents know exactly who they're fighting, unlike swimming.
- The swimmer at U Penn laps biological females without them having a choice in the matter.
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- 2 min
CNN, the Media, and Becoming a Boogeyman
#Joe discusses the intensity of media attacks against him, comparing it to government-level scrutiny, and argues the media needs a boogeyman since they lack original, courageous thought and instead follow network narratives.
4moments
- Tim argues that trans women competing in sports after two years of hormone treatment retain too much advantage from prior testosterone exposure.
- A former Navy SEAL who transitioned to female competed in regional MMA, winning in the second round despite nearly losing the first.
- Tim realized people distort his positions on things, but notes CNN's coverage represents the most egregious media misrepresentation he's seen of any private individual.
- Being aware of the media criticism has to affect you, but the real question is whether you change how you operate in response to it.
- 5 min
Monoclonal Antibodies, Ivermectin, and Suppressed Treatments
#Joe lays out his core COVID position: he's not anti-vaccine, but believes the government and Pfizer are suppressing effective treatments like monoclonal antibodies and Ivermectin, citing Dr. Peter McCullough and international examples like Uttar Pradesh and Japan.
6moments
- Tim explains why mainstream media targets him: they need a boogeyman and rely on narratives rather than independent thinking.
- Government suppression of monoclonal antibodies and demonization of generic treatments like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin represents a concerted effort.
- Monoclonal antibodies can stop COVID dead in its tracks, but the Biden administration is making them deliberately hard to access.
- Pfizer's financial motive for universal vaccination could obscure why early treatment options aren't being pursued instead.
- In a functional medical system, patients wouldn't be sent home untreated; they'd have access to off-label treatments with supporting randomized control trials.
- Doctors who've treated thousands of people consistently report that ivermectin and other off-label drugs are effective methods.
- 4 min
Why Not More Pro-Vax Guests, and Vaccine Side Effects Stories
#Joe defends having had pro-vaccine experts like Sanjay Gupta, Rhonda Patrick, Osterholm, and Peter Hotez on, then discusses personal stories of vaccine adverse reactions, suppressed TikTok videos, and deaths among young people after vaccination.
9moments
- Why doesn't Joe bring on more pro-vax guests to balance his platform?
- Over time the mainstream narrative enforces conformity while suppressing discussion of monoclonal antibodies and alternative treatments.
- COVID vaccines are not traditional vaccines but rather experimental gene therapy.
- Both vaccine benefits and severe adverse reactions are real facts, but media only allows discussion of one side.
- Tim complains about being stuck discussing vaccines across his multiple roles as comedian, commentator, and podcaster.
- Tim fired his producer in anger over Joe becoming the leading media figure without even having guests.
- People blame Joe Rogan when unvaccinated people die of COVID, but ignore why doctors didn't prescribe monoclonal antibodies or IV vitamin drips.
- IV vitamin infusions with C, D, zinc, and glutathione are widely available and beneficial for disease, yet weren't offered as COVID treatment.
- Tim knows quite a few people personally who have had problems with the vaccine.
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- 5 min
Vioxx, Sputnik V, and Lex Fridman Is a Russian Agent
#They joke that Lex Fridman is a Russian agent related to Putin, riff on the Sputnik and Cuban vaccines allegedly being effective, and Joe pivots into body positivity being dangerous during COVID given obesity's link to severe outcomes.
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- Tim lists vaccine side effects he's heard about from 15+ people: menstrual issues, strokes, neurological disorders, chronic fatigue.
- Adverse vaccine reactions estimated at roughly one per 1,000 vaccinated people, which scales to hundreds of thousands of cases across millions vaccinated.
- Social media suppresses content showing vaccine injuries—TikTok removed a video of a high school athlete with myocarditis that had millions of views.
- Tim describes knowing someone whose friend's 14-year-old daughter experienced immediate respiratory failure after vaccination and required ICU care.
- Pharmaceutical companies have a history of lying about adverse side effects for profit, exemplified by Vioxx and Pfizer's numerous fines.
- Sputnik vaccine is actually the best vaccine available, according to Tim's research.
- Lex Fridman is a Russian agent who works for Russia and is allegedly Putin's son with Ghislaine Maxwell.
- Tim suggests alternative approaches: natural antibodies from infection combined with effective treatments, or oral antivirals like Pfizer and Merck pills.
- Public health messaging avoided honestly discussing obesity as a major COVID risk factor because it upset people and involved body-shaming concerns.
- Omicron functions as a live vaccine spreading through the population, and its extreme contagiousness means most uninfected people will eventually catch it.
- Online commerce is currently driving the entire economy.
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- 2 min
Tim reads a ShipStation sponsor spot about simplifying online shipping logistics, discounted carrier rates, and a promo code, briefly joking about a friend whose marriage ended over shipping problems.
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- Tim knows a guy whose shipping problem ended his marriage.
- ShipStation saves money with discounted rates reserved for Fortune 500 companies, and 98% of users keep the service for as long as they're in business.
- 2 min
Tim reads an ad for Lucy Nicotine gum and lozenges, touting flavors and a subscription model with a promo code for discounts.
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- Lucy Nicotine is a company founded by Caltech scientists and former smokers developing cleaner nicotine alternatives.
- Tim describes his personal experience: he used to smoke but switched to Lucy lozenges and hasn't had a cigarette in 20 years.
- Listeners can visit lucy.co and use promo code TIM for 20% off their first order of gum or lozenges.
- 4 min
Hollywood's Secret Unvaccinated and Stephen Colbert the Puppet
#Joe claims many Hollywood celebrities are quietly unvaccinated despite public silence, and they mock Stephen Colbert as a well-paid partisan puppet, riffing on Tim's politically obsessed aunts who live for cable news tribalism.
9moments
- Tim claims Hollywood actors are secretly unvaccinated and use fake vaccine cards to hide it.
- Many Hollywood actors avoid vaccination because they're younger, healthier, have access to good treatment, and don't trust the narrative.
- Far fewer Hollywood celebrities pushed the vaccine agenda compared to how many went hard for Black Lives Matter.
- Stephen Colbert is described as a puppet—literally the most puppet-like thing Tim has ever seen.
- Tim describes his aunt in her 50s or 60s with autoimmune disorders who watches Colbert every night and cheers when he attacks Republicans.
- His other aunt watches Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson while in a loveless marriage, operating as a QAnon follower.
- People at a certain age, once they've given up on everything else in life, become very political.
- Voting for president is probably a lot like rooting for pro wrestling: it might make you feel better, but doesn't affect the outcome much.
- The will of the people gets subverted in many different ways, and those who end up running things aren't necessarily representative of what the public wants.
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- 3 min
Corporate Land Grabs and 'You'll Own Nothing'
#They discuss corporations and investment firms buying up affordable housing and turning America into a renter nation, tying it to the 'you'll own nothing and be happy by 2030' narrative and elite plans to eliminate car and home ownership.
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- Tim details corporate purchases of affordable housing through companies like BlackRock and Zillow.
- The goal is moving the entire country into renting so nobody owns anything.
- Massive corporations limit wage growth and control population through employment.
- Tim references the 'You'll own nothing and be happy in 2030' article.
- Think tanks and powerful interests want to eliminate car and home ownership entirely.
- The endgame is getting everyone on the grid with cradle-to-grave surveillance and social credit systems.
- People are marching into this willingly because they care more about their team winning than their rights.
- Tim's guest notes tribalism forces people to take opposite positions even if it kills them.
- Suburban kids call themselves Maoists unironically while others venerate genocidal dictators online.
- It's a silly country with a lot of problems.
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- 4 min
Becoming Like China, Bezos vs. Buffett, and Late Empire Silliness
#They discuss the risk of America adopting Chinese-style government-corporate integration to compete, then riff on Jeff Bezos's yacht and girlfriend versus Warren Buffett's quiet Omaha life, comparing modern American decadence to the fall of the Roman Empire.
8moments
- Comics stopped doing colleges once they realized younger audiences were too politically correct and didn't have real-world experience.
- Tim explains why total income equality is impossible—people need financial incentive to make money.
- The wealth gap between corporations and their lowest-paid workers is drastically imbalanced, which is where unions become necessary.
- Warren Buffett stays quietly in Omaha despite having a hundred billion dollars, whereas Jeff Bezos poses for photos and appears to enjoy himself.
- Tim advises women to marry wealthy men, hang around for a couple years, and enjoy the money while he destroys himself.
- America has become absurdly silly: comedians make serious points in specials while late-night hosts cry, and a woman who threatened her mother on Dr. Phil is now a massive Instagram star.
- NFT pictures of apes are selling for the cost of a Lamborghini, signaling complete cultural breakdown.
- Tim compares modern America to the last days of the Roman Empire—citizens gorging themselves, inducing vomiting, and complete chaos.
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- 1 min
China's Total Control and Corporate-Government Fusion
#Joe explains China's government-business integration as a model the U.S. might be forced toward to compete, contrasting it with lobbying-driven capture of U.S. institutions like the Obama healthcare bill.
3moments
- China's ability to control its population through propaganda, intimidation, and total censorship—and the U.S. is moving in that direction.
- The only way to compete with China may be to become more like China.
- America is on that same path.
- 5 min
Gender Identity Trends and Civilizational Collapse
#Referencing Douglas Murray, they discuss the theory that gender identity upheaval accompanies collapsing civilizations, distinguishing legitimate trans people like Blair White from performative non-binary identity trends among privileged young people.
8moments
- Tim relays Douglas Murray's claim that gender identity changes occur in all collapsing civilizations.
- When life gets easy, people start looking for problems and ways to dissolve society's structure.
- Tim distinguishes between legitimate trans people, citing someone he knows who lives as a woman without broadcasting it.
- He contrasts that with people like Blair White—clearly transgender—versus those adopting the identity as performance.
- Tim describes a privileged college girl with green hair adopting non-binary identity to avoid being seen as the oppressor.
- Authentic gay identity required actual same-sex attraction and real social consequences; new gender identities lack that naturalness.
- Gay and lesbian people are now considered normies; they've been replaced by online-dwelling pansexual communist witches.
- These new people don't have sex, spend time online, and exist primarily to tweet criticism rather than live authentically.
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- 3 min
The New Sexless Online Queer Culture vs. Old Gay Culture
#Joe contrasts the fun, hedonistic gay culture depicted in the movie 'Parting Glances'/Rent-era with today's online 'pansexual communist witches' who spend their time tweeting about people instead of having actual relationships or sex.
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- Tim describes modern online queer culture as a "sexless autistic horror hellscape" with office politics, contrasting it with the hedonistic gay culture of South Beach and the AIDS-era defiance of Rent.
- The comedy community has become fractured and weird, with many comedians who've talked badly about Tim now aging and infirm.
- FOMO drives people to establish new positions in the comedy food chain by attacking established comics like Louis C.K.
- Mediocre talents attacked Louis C.K. not because they genuinely opposed his actions but to prove they could stomp down someone at the top of the hierarchy.
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- 2 min
Tim delivers an ExpressVPN ad about Big Tech surveillance and data mining, pitching the VPN's encryption and ease of use with a promo link, escalating into a shouted parody of privacy messaging.
4moments
- Tim argues that Big Tech companies controlling retail, searches, email, and phone tracking are more powerful than most countries and profit from exploiting personal data.
- ExpressVPN hides your IP address and encrypts internet data to prevent tracking and eavesdropping by advertisers and hackers.
- Tim emphasizes that ExpressVPN is easy to use—download the app, tap one button, and you're protected from Big Tech data mining.
- Tim closes with emphatic repetition that privacy is necessary and something you'll need.
- 2 min
A DraftKings Sportsbook ad promoting NFL wild card weekend betting odds, promo codes, and daily fantasy contests, with standard legal disclaimers.
1moment
- DraftKings NFL Playoffs offer: 56 to 1 odds on any wild card team to win their game with a $5 bet for $280 in free bets.
- 2 min
Would Fauci Come On the Show? (And Obama's Podcast With Bruce Springsteen)
#Joe says he'd have Fauci on for a full-length conversation, and they riff on a hypothetical where Fauci confesses everything, then mock the boring Obama-Bruce Springsteen podcast as overly scripted and lifeless.
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- Tim says he'd have Fauci on 100%, but only for a real long-form podcast, not a quick 20-minute appearance.
- Tim imagines Fauci coming on, getting high, and finally admitting he made money off AIDS and other diseases.
- Obama shut down gain-of-function research in 2014 because he understood the implications—Tim calls him smart for it.
- Obama's podcast with Bruce Springsteen is described as depressing and a bad podcast that needs Tim to spice it up.
- Tim compares himself and the caller to dance instructors on Dancing with the Stars—real podcasters showing amateurs how it's done.
- 5 min
Alex Jones, Sandy Hook, and Loyalty to Flawed Friends
#They discuss Alex Jones's mixed track record of predictions versus his catastrophic Sandy Hook comments, with Joe defending him as a longtime friend who admits his mistakes, while acknowledging his fanbase can be unhinged.
10moments
- Podcasts work because they're raw and unscripted, unlike mainstream news which is so produced that authenticity would seem unprofessional.
- Some trans people agree with Tim on vaccines but want him to go further into conspiracy theories like flat earth and hollow earth.
- Alex Jones got a lot of his predictions wrong, particularly the Sandy Hook one.
- Tim defends Jones by attributing the Sandy Hook accusations to a rough period when Jones was drinking heavily and having a psychotic break.
- Tim's counterpoint: other people go through rough times without accusing parents of faking their children's deaths.
- Tim has known Jones for over 20 years and considers him a friend and a nice guy despite his mistakes.
- When accused of being responsible for crazy fans, Tim points out that all public figures have unhinged listeners, including his own.
- Tim jokes about going on The View in a wig to be the conservative panelist they can't find.
- The View has devolved into a show built entirely around the hosts being angry and insulting guests, with nothing positive to offer.
- Tim suggests The View hire a QAnon grandma who was filmed yelling at Sandy Hook parents to prove their children died.
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- 1 min
9/11 Truth, the Pentagon Video, and Iraq's Invasion
#They discuss lingering doubts about 9/11 footage (the Pentagon plane, cell phone calls at altitude) and connect it to the unjustified Iraq invasion, while noting the media unfairly labels Joe a '9/11 truther' and 'COVID denier.'
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- Tim's logic: if 9/11 happened, the conclusion shouldn't be to invade an unrelated country.
- Iraq invasion cost over a million lives on the claim of weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist.
- The Pentagon footage looks doctored, not like a plane.
- Cell phone calls at 30,000 feet during 9/11 — the documented conversations don't add up.
- 1 min
Binary Thinking on Medication and COVID Treatment
#Joe clarifies he's not anti-medication, criticizing the false binary of 'take the vaccine or nothing' when many treatments could be combined.
3moments
- People got mad at him for taking medication for COVID despite being in good shape and working out.
- Tim argues against binary thinking on medication—it's not either take it or nothing, not one or zero.
- Asked who he'd donate his fortune to after death—Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Dana White, or Demi Lovato.
- 3 min
Joe's Unlikely Career Path: News Radio to Fear Factor
#Joe recounts how he stumbled into acting on NewsRadio with Phil Hartman and Dave Foley despite no acting experience, then into hosting Fear Factor, crediting his ability to handle pressure for these lucky breaks.
6moments
- Tim explains how he stumbled into acting on News Radio after achieving success as a stand-up comedian.
- Working with Phil Hartman on News Radio despite having no acting experience beforehand.
- Fear Factor went from what Tim expected to be immediately cancelled to becoming one of the most successful reality shows ever, running six seasons.
- Tim's philosophy: the real skill isn't stumbling into opportunities but being able to handle pressure in auditions, live broadcasts, and performances.
- He deliberately seeks out high-pressure situations because most people avoid them, creating less competition and more excitement.
- Family's reaction to his career path: discouragement and suggestions to get a real job because they didn't think he was funny.
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- 6 min
Childhood Moves, Bullying, and Discovering Martial Arts
#Joe describes his nomadic childhood (New Jersey, San Francisco, Florida, Boston), getting bullied for being small and new, and how starting martial arts under instructor John Lee at a Boston Taekwondo school transformed his life.
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- Tim was small, moved constantly between New Jersey, San Francisco, Florida, and Boston, and got bullied as the perpetual new kid.
- After getting harassed in Newton, he started martial arts and it transformed his life and confidence completely.
- He lucked into training at Jae Hun Kim Taekwondo Institute in Boston, one of the most respected schools in the country.
- Tim watched John Lee train for the world championships at his peak and became obsessed, spending his entire high school years competing in martial arts.
- After taking up kickboxing, he noticed fighters developing brain damage and realized he had to quit the sport before ruining his own brain.
- His friend Steve Graham told him he should be a comedian after watching him make people laugh on tournament trips to alleviate pre-fight nervousness.
- Steve convinced him to try an open mic night despite Tim's belief that other people would think he was an asshole rather than funny.
- At his first open mic, watching bad comedians made him realize he could do stand-up, but then seeing professionals like Teddy Bergeron perform hooked him immediately.
- Tim almost backed out before performing his first set, coming extremely close to chickening out entirely.
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- 6 min
From Kickboxing to Comedy: The Open Mic Origin Story
#Joe explains quitting kickboxing after seeing friends with brain damage, then getting pushed into comedy by his friend Steve Graham, describing his first open mic night hosted by Jonathan Katz and quickly getting hooked and successful in the Boston scene.
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- Tim and Fitzsimmons started comedy together in 1988, driving 90 minutes to Rhode Island for 10-minute sets.
- Comedy bars back then were completely filled with cigarette smoke with no non-smoking sections.
- Many people Tim thought would make it in comedy never did.
- Success in comedy involves psychology and how people handle the uncertainty and mind games of not knowing if they'll make it.
- Tim's seen actors get trapped in audition cycles and callback loops that drive them crazy from not knowing what's happening with their careers.
- Mediocre people who master confidence and delusion can convince themselves and everyone else they're great through sheer certitude.
- Tim argues that new comics will need to build careers through the internet rather than the traditional path of open mics to Montreal to HBO.
- The old model of moving to New York or LA, grinding 20 sets a week, and getting discovered at Montreal Festival seems to be dying.
- Digital platforms like YouTube, Rumble, and Instagram are now the best way for comics to promote themselves.
- Getter imported all of Tim's Twitter followers but doesn't actually have 9 million users total, making the follower count fraudulent.
- Tim's Getter posts are automatically pulled from Twitter and he has no idea how to delete his account off the platform.
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- 2 min
Why Some Funny People Never Make It
#They discuss why some clearly talented comedians never break through, attributing it to psychological cracking under uncertainty and fame, versus mediocre people who succeed through sheer delusional confidence and longevity.
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- Brian Simpson killed his Netflix special and is building a real career through podcasts and traditional comedy work.
- Tim notes that Dr. Disrespect now has a book and Mr. Beast has a burger chain — the new stars are building empires outside traditional entertainment.
- Mr. Beast operates as his own boss on YouTube, which is why his model succeeds where traditional executive-backed shows might fail.
- Tim jokingly says the only executives he can think of who'd fund a podcast are disgraced financial criminals like Angelo Mozilo and Dick Fuld.
- Comedy fundamentally requires ability to get on stage and kill — that remains the core requirement despite new avenues emerging.
- Stand-up is awesome and will always matter because people want to see comics live, not just know them from the internet.
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- 8 min
The Death of Legacy Comedy and the Rise of Podcasts
#Tim argues the traditional path to comedy success (clubs, Montreal festival, HBO specials) is dying in favor of digital platforms, and they discuss Getter's fake follower numbers, Spotify's surprisingly good treatment of Joe's show, and losing/regaining audience after the exclusive deal.
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- Tim calls stand-up comedy the best art form and the biggest high you can get on stage.
- He'll keep performing until his audience dies of old age.
- Tim attacked a Spotify CEO, calling him a pedophile, which cost him a deal.
- Spotify still judges him against outdated metrics while his old show isn't even on YouTube anymore.
- The lack of censorship on Spotify has been a huge improvement over YouTube's fear-driven approach.
- People always hate when someone gets a big deal and starts making money, immediately claiming they sold out.
- Joe lost 50% of his audience when moving to Spotify, sending Jamie into a frothy panic.
- Josh Rogan's reporting on gain-of-function research led to Fauci and the NIH being exposed for funding it in Wuhan.
- Fauci's documentary was so vain YouTube removed the dislike button because of it.
- Fauci insists that criticizing Anthony Fauci is the same as criticizing science itself.
- Explaining what he does to his kids isn't easy, but it would be just as hard explaining if he were a hitman.
- Corporate structures and HR departments make it nearly impossible for people to express genuine opinions.
- Friends constantly want Joe to promote their weed deals and other business opportunities on the show.
- Tim changes his phone number frequently and now has four phones labeled A, B, C, and D to manage access.
- Joe jokes that Tim is the funnest character among all his recent guests.
- Joe reflects on having had many good guests over the last seven or eight years.
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- 4 min
Best Podcast Guests: Peterson, Bob Lazar, Oliver Stone's JFK Documentary
#Joe runs through memorable guests like Jordan Peterson, Bob Lazar, Elon Musk, and Oliver Stone, discussing Stone's new 4-hour JFK assassination documentary and how he only books people he's personally curious about.
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- Tim calls Bob Lazar episode great but expresses uncertainty about whether Lazar is credible or just very entertaining.
- Tim describes the Cuddle Party format with Shane Gillis, Mark Norman, and Ari Shaffir where they get drunk and say controversial things, then panic about whether to cut it.
- Only Yianni Pappas came on the show where they couldn't use any of the episode because he attacked Ali Wong and revealed he's mentally unwell.
- Tim explains he wears many hats as a podcaster, interviewing scientists, environmental writers, psychologists, comedians, fighters, and inventors in one strange gig.
- Tim describes his booking process: he seeks people out and has to personally want them to come on—there's literally no other way to get on the show.
- Someone once paid Tim's friend $25,000 to get a guest on the podcast, but Tim would have had the guest anyway without revealing that.
- Oliver Stone recently appeared on the show and Tim praises his new JFK documentary, which is four hours long and will drop everywhere after its Showtime run ends in February.
- The four-hour version of Stone's JFK film goes even deeper in proving it was a coup, making the case more airtight than the two-hour version.
- The podcast operates on Tim's interests alone—if he wants to talk to someone, they get him on the show.
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- 4 min
Ari Shaffir's Bad Advice and the Cuddle Party Podcast
#Joe talks about the 'Cuddle Party' podcast with Shane Gillis, Mark Normand, and Ari Shaffir getting drunk and saying wild things, Ari's history of bad advice (editing the show, tweeting about Kobe), and a graphic riff on Tex's anatomy.
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- Tim recalls Bill Hicks's bit about Jay Leno not actually wanting to talk to his guests.
- Ari argues that Tim has monetized curiosity and revolutionized long-form discussion in a way supposed intellectuals never did.
- Ari Shaffir was adamant Tim should edit the podcast and make it shorter, insisting people wouldn't listen to long episodes.
- Redban told Tim an episode had hit a million downloads, shocking him despite making zero dollars at the time.
- Tim notes that Ari once advised him to tweet about Kobe Bryant's death, which he didn't do—and is glad he ignored that advice.
- Ari stays at Tim's rental and constantly exposes himself, leading Tim to describe his genitalia as disproportionate and bizarre.
- Tim is relocating to Texas and removing himself from Hollywood's influence, which he describes as contagious and disingenuous.
- Actor types who work in both comedy and Hollywood worlds contaminate comedy by bringing that fake behavior into the space.
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- 3 min
Joe explains his move to Austin as removing himself from Hollywood's contaminating influence on comedy, describing his vision for a comedy club that lets comics stay independent, before Tim closes the interview thanking him.
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- Comedy needs its own autonomous center where it's the 100% of the thing, not a stepping stone to sitcom stardom.
- Tim wants to tell young comics they don't need to be hired by Hollywood—they can just do comedy and be completely autonomous.
- Being on NewsRadio and Fear Factor, Tim was jealous of comics killing it in theaters and traveling constantly.
- The experience cemented that Tim really loves stand-up, even though he was trapped doing a TV show and couldn't travel.
- Money's nice because once you have it, you don't have to worry about money and can do what you want instead of playing it safe for Hollywood.
- The podcast came out of that freedom completely organically, with zero thought about it being profitable.
- Tim's goal for the new club is to be as supportive as possible to stand-up comedy and create a safe, fun place for comics and audiences.
- The club will require everyone to get a booster shot before going on stage every time.