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Licorice Pizza Age-Gap Controversy
from #281 - Hewlett Harbor Holiday | The Tim Dillon Show · #281
6 min
Tim and Ben discuss the backlash against Paul Thomas Anderson's Licorice Pizza over its 25-year-old and 15-year-old romantic pairing, debating whether the film is predatory or just true to its 1970s setting, with tangents on Call Me By Your Name casting jokes.
- The movie features a 15-year-old (Philip Seymour Hoffman's son) and a 25-year-old (the lead singer of Haim) as love interests.
- Tim questions whether they actually have sex in the film, learning they don't but insisting the age gap itself is still problematic.
- Tim poses a direct question: if he as a 25-year-old made a movie about dating a 15-year-old, would people find that cute?
- Tim draws a hard line: romanticizing a relationship between a 25-year-old and a 15-year-old needs to stop.
- Given widespread child abuse, Tim argues it's time to stop romanticizing such an age chasm in media.
- An 18 or 19-year-old can pursue whoever they want and inherit their house, but 15 is different—that's still a child.
- Paul Thomas Anderson apparently frames the relationship as cute and hunky-dory in the film, like a schoolboy crush on a babysitter.
- Tim was originally cast in Call Me by Your Name as the 17-year-old Elio opposite Army Hammer, before it went to Timothy Chalamet and Armie Hammer.
- The movie apparently shows the 25-year-old character exposing her breasts to the 15-year-old, which crosses a clear line.
- The common argument that a young man is cool if he sleeps with his teacher misses the point—it fucks up men, though maybe not as much as it does women.
- Citing historical accuracy as justification doesn't excuse depicting predatory dynamics—making a film true to a slave-owning era wouldn't excuse romanticizing exploitation.
- Tim clarifies he's not arguing against telling stories set in problematic eras, only that he hasn't actually seen the Paul Thomas Anderson film yet.
Call Me by Your NameLicorice PizzaPaul Thomas AndersonWendy WilliamsArmie HammerTimothée ChalametPhilip Seymour HoffmanCharlotte ClymerHaim