Interview · moment 20 of 23
Epstein, Blackmail, and Human Nature in Politics
from #259 - Independence Day with Glenn Greenwald | The Tim Dillon Show · #259
5 min
Guest
They discuss how many politicians may be blackmailed or controlled via scandal (Epstein/Maxwell), Greenwald's view that human nature makes corrupt institutions inevitable, and his belief that flawed but somewhat-good leadership is the most humans can hope for.
- Tim questions how many elected officials are blackmailed, bribed, or controlled through sex, drugs, or past misdeeds, and how large the scope really is.
- Human nature throughout history is ugly, making it nearly impossible to build politics or institutions free from these pathologies.
- Tim concludes that humans need strong, charismatic leaders willing to do dirty deals—imperfect people who make things somewhat better on balance.
- Guest describes arriving in Rio and immediately feeling it spoke to her soul, convinced she'd never want to travel elsewhere.
- Tim jokes that Joe Rogan convinced them all to move to Austin, a dump in a swamp with only two terrible restaurants.
- Tech people in Austin don't care about culture—they eat macadamia nuts and scheme to choke out remaining freedoms from their estates.
- Tech industry sucked resources from the Bay Area to build high-rises with floating bathtubs while cities collapsed.
- Amazon tribes with no contact with the outside world exist in pristine detachment from society.
- Bolsonaro was funded by lumber and agri-business interests wanting to cut down the Amazon for profit, constantly invading indigenous lands.
- Those same industries brought COVID to indigenous tribes with no healthcare system or immunity from disease exposure.