Episode 196 · The Ben Avery Era
#196 - Whitney Webb | The Tim Dillon Show
with Whitney Webb
Apr 19, 2020 · 1:24:10 · 277,000 views · 25 segments, 160 moments indexed
Tim has on journalist Whitney Webb to discuss Epstein, Bill Gates, China, and America becoming a surveillance state.
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- 5 min
Tim introduces the episode, hyping it as one of the most mind-blowing he's done, previewing Whitney Webb's Epstein/Gates research and the private phone call audio with Epstein accuser Maria Farmer that will be played and analyzed.
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- Tim introduces Whitney Webb as a top journalist who has written extensively about Epstein and Maxwell.
- Webb has documented how companies stand to profit from COVID-19 solutions and Bill Gates's relationship with Epstein.
- The episode includes private audio from a phone call Whitney conducted with an Epstein accuser named Maria Farmer.
- Webb discusses how factions within the U.S. government plan to adopt China's authoritarian model to maintain global dominance.
- A Freedom of Information request revealed government plans to use the pandemic shutdown to implement new surveillance systems and regulations.
- Tim praises Webb as well-researched and not sensationalist, and notes she has a book coming out about Epstein.
- Webb lives outside America, which Tim suggests makes her a better journalist.
- Tim recalls a recent argument with Joe Rogan about Bill Gates, where Rogan defended Gates as having no financial motive.
- Tim notes that billionaires like Soros, the Koch brothers, and Gates typically engage in social engineering driven by ideology.
- Tim argues that the details of proposed solutions matter: climate initiatives that restrict driving or energy consumption deserve scrutiny even if the goal is good.
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- 8 min
Whitney lays out her concerns about Bill Gates, comparing his foundation to Rockefeller's, discussing vaccine scandals in developing countries, his odd population-reduction rhetoric, and the claim his own pediatrician said his kids weren't vaccinated.
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- Billionaires have long used philanthropy to rebrand their reputations, from Rockefeller to Epstein before his arrest.
- Gates Foundation ties to pharmaceutical companies led to vaccines rejected in the US being sent to developing countries like India, causing severe health effects.
- People can criticize pharmaceutical corruption and specific vaccines without being against vaccines as a science.
- Gates has used odd rhetoric at TED talks about using vaccines to reduce world population, which is backwards since vaccines keep people alive.
- Tim questions why a billionaire without a medical degree who dropped out of Harvard is giving medical advice on CNN.
- Gates' relationship with Epstein is the biggest red flag, including his chief scientist being an executor of Epstein's will.
- The New York Times changed their story about when Gates and Epstein met, claiming 2016 then 2011, but a 2001 Evening Standard article mentions them together.
- Maria Farmer, the first Epstein victim to go to the FBI, heard Epstein and Maxwell discuss Bill Gates as someone they knew well back in 1995.
- Once billionaires have all the money they want, they seek control and social engineering rather than material goods.
- Bill Gates' pediatrician came forward saying Gates refused to have his own children vaccinated.
Bill GatesJeffrey EpsteinpharmaceuticalsBill and Melinda Gates FoundationGhislaine MaxwellMaria FarmereugenicsRockefeller Foundation+5 more
- 2 min
Whitney details evidence of a Gates-Epstein relationship going back further than reported, citing a 2001 Evening Standard article naming Gates alongside Wexner and Trump as Epstein's business links, and discusses eugenics talk among Epstein's circle.
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- Tim discusses an interview he conducted with Maria Farmer, an Epstein victim, who contacted him over a recent court ruling.
- A ruling essentially grants immunity to co-conspirators like Ghislaine Maxwell, preventing Epstein victims from taking them to court.
- The original "sweetheart deal" negotiated by then-Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta included blanket immunity for all of Epstein's co-conspirators.
- Tim questions the logic of granting immunity to co-conspirators as part of Epstein's initial plea agreement, calling it insane.
Jeffrey EpsteinMaria FarmerGhislaine MaxwellAlexander AcostaBill Gates
- 6 min
Discussion of a recent court ruling granting Epstein co-conspirators like Maxwell effective immunity, and how Maria Farmer, the first Epstein victim to go to the FBI, reached out to Whitney after mainstream media wouldn't tell her full story, especially regarding Wexner.
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- Colin Maxwell guest discusses when Maria Farmer first contacted him about telling her Epstein story.
- Tim argues the immunity ruling sends a message that people can escape accountability for crimes against children if they're connected to intelligence agencies or billionaires.
- Mainstream media outlets cut Wexner from Maria Farmer's story every time she brought him up during interviews.
- Epstein functioned as mid-level management in the scheme, valued mainly for his charisma to recruit girls by promising to improve their lives.
- Less than five percent of what Maria Farmer told mainstream media outlets actually made it into their coverage.
- Maria Farmer's concern about Wexner: he may be a Mossad asset or connected to the mafia and organized crime.
- Media refuses to pursue Wexner as a subject because he's the richest man in Ohio and no one wants to target him.
- Maria Farmer calls Ghislaine Maxwell the most dangerous woman she's met and the most dangerous asset for Israel.
- Ghislaine Maxwell believed her father was murdered by intelligence services but given a state funeral due to his importance.
- Ghislaine Maxwell had twelve photo albums showing her childhood with the royal family, contradicting media claims about when Prince Andrew and Prince Beatrice knew her.
- Question about whether Maria Farmer witnessed victims disappearing from around Ghislaine Maxwell's circle.
- 3 min
Whitney recounts Maria's description of Ghislaine Maxwell as the most dangerous woman she's met and an Israeli asset, her multiple passports, and Maxwell showing off childhood photo albums with the royal family predating official accounts.
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- Ghislaine Maxwell was recruited to work for Epstein, forced into it by the dean of an art school in New York
- The school was York Academy of Art, headed by Eileen Guggenheim, who appears in photos with performance artist Marina Abramovic
- The FBI knew about all this in 1996, and mainstream media knew in the early 2000s
- Epstein and Maxwell used a whole apartment building officially owned by his brother to house girls and run operations across multiple locations
- According to witness testimony, Maxwell saw at least five different girls a day coming in and out of Epstein's offices between 1995 and 1996
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- 5 min
They play the first phone call clip where Maria describes seeing five girls a day come through Epstein's office, claims the real victim count is in the thousands, and describes trafficked Filipina maids at Wexner's properties.
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- Maria Farmer reports having spent a year documenting cases the mainstream media limited or buried entirely.
- Only 30 women have come forward publicly, but Farmer witnessed at least five girls entering the house daily.
- The actual number of victims is in the thousands, with 500 unlocated victims identified in Florida alone.
- During her year at the mansion, Farmer observed seven girls constantly present in Epstein's office.
- Ghislaine Maxwell once told Farmer that Epstein needed three massages, during which three girls were being assaulted simultaneously in Florida.
- Maids from the Philippines revealed they had been stolen and trafficked, with victims placed across properties in New York, Florida, and the ranch.
- Mainstream media has made virtually no effort to locate or report on the hundreds of identified but missing victims.
- Victims' lawyers possess the names of 500 Florida victims but cannot locate them anywhere.
- 1 min
Brief follow-up discussing that lawyers reportedly have names of 500 Epstein victims in Florida who cannot be located, and how easy it was historically to make lower-income girls disappear.
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- In the 1990s, five girls a day went missing in Florida—mostly from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, foster kids, people no one was looking for.
- Maria Farmer started as an interior decorator before getting wrapped up in Epstein's operation.
- 4 min
Whitney details how Maria was lured to Leslie Wexner's Ohio estate as an artist-in-residence, was surveilled and starved, then attempted-raped by Epstein and Maxwell, and describes the terrifying escape involving a bodyguard threat.
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- Tim outlines Maria Farmer's story and why mainstream media avoids covering it in detail.
- Farmer was offered an artist-in-residence position at Leslie Wexner's Ohio estate, staying in a guest house with surveillance cameras everywhere.
- She was refused service at the country club and heard supremacist rhetoric from wealthy people around the estate.
- Over three months, Farmer was kept on limited food rations and felt trapped in the house.
- On Epstein and his girlfriend's final visit, both attempted to rape her, and when she called police, they refused to help because they work for Wexner.
- Wexner's people kidnapped her 15-year-old sister during the ordeal.
- Wexner's bodyguard, a former Special Forces operative now working for Will Smith, threatened to kill her and said she'd never leave.
- She escaped by using a landline to call everyone she knew, telling them she was being held captive, forcing them to release her.
Jeffrey EpsteinLes WexnerNew York TimesAbigail WexnerNew Albany, OhioWill Smith
- 2 min
Whitney relays Maria's claim that Ghislaine Maxwell, often accompanied by Ivana Trump, would approach middle-school-age girls under the guise of recruiting for Victoria's Secret, targeting smart and talented kids for Epstein's office.
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- Ghislaine Maxwell drove around New York middle schools claiming to recruit models for Victoria's Secret, approaching twelve-year-old girls in uniforms and braces.
- She almost always brought Ivana Trump along on these recruitment drives, and the girls she targeted would end up in Epstein's office the next day.
- Tim speculates they targeted public middle schools rather than wealthy prep schools, since rich parents would be powerful enough to cause problems.
- Maria Farmer witnessed these exchanges from inside the car as Ghislaine and Ivana took girls shopping and gathered their information.
- They specifically targeted kids with good grades—smart, creative, talented children—before sending them to a modeling agency.
Ghislaine MaxwellIvana TrumpJeffrey EpsteinVictoria's Secret
- 3 min
Discussion of the Trump-Epstein relationship souring over a Palm Beach real estate deal, and Maria's account of realizing the abuse during her assault, plus stolen photos of her sister used seemingly for blackmail.
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- Maria wants Ivana Trump to explain why she was always around Ghislaine with these kids.
- Trump and Epstein's relationship started deteriorating around 2000, apparently over real estate competition.
- Epstein wanted to buy and flip a Palm Beach mansion, asked Trump's opinion, then Trump took it from him.
- After losing the real estate deal, Epstein apparently tried to blackmail Trump.
- Maria realized what was happening during an attempted rape in Ohio, when everything clicked into place.
- Maria had taken artistic photographs of her younger sisters for anatomy studies, stored in a guesthouse basement.
- Epstein's people stole those photographs and kept them in his briefcase for use as blackmail.
- Maria worked for Epstein for just one year, from 1995 to 1996, when the assault occurred.
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- 4 min
Second audio clip plays where Maria describes how the FBI in 1996 already seemed to know everything, refused witness protection, wouldn't take evidence including stolen photo envelopes with DNA, despite her naming Trump, Dershowitz, and the Clintons.
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- FBI was allegedly as abusive to a trafficking victim as Maxwell, despite being the institution supposed to protect her.
- Epstein's doctor followed the victim around after she fled Ohio to New York.
- Victim describes the FBI as unbelievably abusive, saying they never offered witness protection.
- When the victim mentioned Wexner as the head of the trafficking network, the FBI agent gave a casual non-response.
- Victim claims she told the FBI about stolen photographs of her sister with touch DNA and fingerprints, evidence that could have convicted Epstein and associates, but the FBI refused to take the envelopes.
- She named Donald Trump, Alan Dershowitz, and the Clintons as co-conspirators to the FBI based on her observations at Epstein properties.
- Victim reported seeing five to ten girls per day being trafficked and pleaded with the FBI to stop it, but received no action.
- Tim notes the pattern: trafficking victim provides the FBI with specific information on child trafficking, and they do nothing.
- Similar institutional failures have occurred in the Franklin scandal and multiple UK cases involving wealthy, powerful abusers.
FBIJeffrey EpsteinLes WexnerRobert MaxwellDonald TrumpFranklin scandalAlan DershowitzThe Clintons
- 3 min
Whitney offers a big-picture theory that elites like Wexner are loyal to a supranational ruling class rather than any nation, and Tim asks about occult/Satanic imagery, with Whitney noting Maria saw odd symbols without being certain of their meaning.
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- Elites operate as a supranational ruling class loyal to each other rather than to their nations, with billionaires like Leslie Wexner participating in a global network for criminal purposes.
- Tim says the distinction between being a pedophile versus satanic doesn't matter much to him—the crime itself is sufficient regardless of the ideological wrapping.
- Intelligence agencies have deployed people to muddy the waters around legitimate research into elite crimes by mixing in unverifiable occult claims.
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Tasteful Satanism Aside
#A quick joking aside about the 'tasteful' occult decor before returning to serious discussion.
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- Tim on why the Clintons and Trump are powerful but not the most powerful people in the world
- Presidents since JFK don't have as much power as people think they do
- 6 min
They play a clip of Maria describing Ghislaine's multiple national passports and her claim that the Rothschilds were her family's 'greatest protectors,' leading into a discussion of Rothschild influence in Israel's founding and Robert Maxwell's intelligence ties.
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- Tim explains how intelligence agencies support Epstein-type activities while running drugs and guns, functioning as organized crime syndicates.
- Maria Farmer describes Ghislaine Maxwell showing her multiple passports—English, Israeli, American, and another—claiming citizenship in all of them through her father's connections.
- Ghislaine told Maria Farmer that the Rothschilds were the greatest protectors of her family.
- Tim admits rolling his eyes at Rothschild conspiracy talk but acknowledges they're a multi-generational banking family with documented influence.
- Macron and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross both worked for Rothschild banks, establishing the family's reach into major political positions.
- The Balfour Declaration creating Israel was addressed to the Rothschild family, who funded the Zionist movement and financed the Knesset building.
- Ghislaine's father Robert Maxwell was an Israeli intelligence asset and media mogul suspected by British intelligence of being a superspy loyal only to Israel.
- Robert Maxwell received money from Mossad to build his media empire but couldn't repay it, leading to threats when Epstein got caught the second time.
- Tim questions how Epstein, with all his powerful connections, manages to get brought in a second time despite getting away with it initially.
CIAGhislaine MaxwellJeffrey EpsteinRothschild familyMossadEmmanuel MacronRobert MaxwellWilbur Ross+3 more
- 3 min
Whitney explains Maria's belief that persistent NYPD detectives, not DA Berman, drove the second Epstein arrest, possibly tied to Deutsche Bank cutting ties, and discusses Epstein's ongoing stalking of Maria afterward.
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- Maria Farmer said NYPD detectives were the ones who pushed hard to get Epstein arrested again, not DA Jeffrey Berman.
- Tim speculated Deutsche Bank closing Epstein's accounts two weeks before arrest might have triggered the case.
- Question about whether Anthony Weiner's laptop contained information related to Epstein.
- Epstein stalked Maria Farmer after assaulting her, and she had tried to quit multiple times but was pressured to stay.
- During the assault, things Farmer had seen over years that seemed weird suddenly clicked into place and made sense.
- Vanity Fair did an article about the Dubin family and their connection to Epstein's circle.
- Bloomberg supposedly said he gets his daughter a date wherever he travels in the world, including China.
Jeffrey EpsteinJeffrey BermanNYPDDeutsche BankMichael BloombergAnthony WeinerVanity Fair
- 2 min
The Bloomberg/Dubin Wealthy Families Parallel
#A brief aside comparing this behavior to reports about other wealthy families, including a Bloomberg anecdote about arranging his daughter's dates, before pivoting into the ad.
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- Tim reads Blue Chew ad copy, asking if listeners are aggressive beasts who can't read or organize thoughts.
- Emphasizing that Blue Chew works on full or empty stomachs and works up to twice as fast as a pill.
- Tim reminds listeners to get consent before showing their penis.
- Blue Chew is made in the USA and makes dick pills, not masks or antibiotics.
- 1 min
Tim reads a Blue Chew sponsor spot with jokes about chewable erectile dysfunction medication, consent, and delivery discretion.
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- Tim jokes that the USA doesn't farm out the process of getting your dick woke up like other countries do.
- 2 min
Discussion of Ghislaine Maxwell allegedly hiding with the Rothschilds in the UK, suing Epstein's estate for money, and a photo of Jacob Rothschild with Marina Abramovic behind a satanic-themed painting.
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- Ghislaine Maxwell is suing Epstein's estate for money, which Tim suspects was meant to be returned to the intelligence agency that funded the whole operation.
- Tim questions whether Ghislaine Maxwell will ever appear publicly again.
- Maxwell is rumored to be living in a Rothschild mansion in the UK, with the head of that family.
- Lord Jacob Rothschild and Marina Abramovic were recently photographed together posing in front of a painting called 'Satan Summons His Legions.'
- Tim distinguishes between pizzagate—which he dismissed because there were no victims—and documented cases like Franklin, Cora, North Fox Island, and Epstein where actual victims came forward.
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- 2 min
Tim brings up disturbing art collected by Tony Podesta as a point of comparison, and they discuss how Wexner, Epstein, and Gates all cultivated respectable public philanthropist images.
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- Tony Podesta's art collection features disturbing imagery: children in cages, sacrificial themes.
- Wealthy figures like Wexner and Epstein maintained pristine public personas as philanthropists before scandals emerged.
- Bill Gates flew on Epstein's plane multiple times in the 90s and visited his island.
- Gates has publicly stated his interest in eugenics and held salons with prominent scientists.
- Tim speculates whether Gates uses these gatherings to influence health policy and rebrand eugenics under a different name.
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Whitney details Epstein's eugenics interest, including the claim Maria's younger sister was being groomed to bear Epstein's child, and connects this to the history of forced sterilization rulings in the 1920s US.
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- Epstein was interested in eugenics and creating a 'master race' by recruiting intelligent, creative, and talented girls.
- Maria Farmer's younger sister was groomed to have Epstein's children, and after she was assaulted, Ghislaine Maxwell told her she ruined everything.
- In the 1920s, the Supreme Court ruled that a mother and daughter had to be sterilized for being 'too stupid,' a case rooted in eugenics movement power.
- Billionaires of the Gilded Age were heavily invested in eugenics, and the sterilization case involved poor white people from Appalachia.
- American eugenics ideology inspired Hitler, and many U.S. eugenics advocates after WWII maintained their views but hid them from the public.
- Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, wrote disturbing things about African Americans.
- 4 min
They discuss Margaret Sanger's writings and Planned Parenthood clinic placement, ties to the Rockefeller family and eugenics movement, and speculate these views went underground rather than disappearing, plus theories on who killed Epstein.
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- Planned Parenthood center placement in areas with high concentrations of African-Americans raises questions about intent.
- Pete Buttigieg's father had ties to the Rockefeller family, who were openly into eugenics during the Gilded Age.
- Bill Gates made statements about too many Africans; eugenics views may have gone underground but persist among the wealthy.
- Maria told me that Ghislaine Maxwell and people around her would say extremely racist things and avoid cities with large Black populations.
- Tim jokes he wants his human traffickers to be woke and concerned with diversity and inclusion.
- Speculation on who killed Epstein—Mossad or someone else—but the real focus should be getting Ghislaine Maxwell and Leslie Wexner into prison.
- Prison guards won't talk about Epstein's death; camera footage existed then disappeared, leaving the circumstances completely unclear.
Ghislaine MaxwellBill GatesJeffrey EpsteinRockefeller familyLes WexnerMargaret SangerPete Buttigieg
- 4 min
Whitney cautions against the man-made/natural bioweapon narrative comparing it to Iraq WMD claims, noting US-funded research ties to the Wuhan lab, and pivots into government plans to use public health fears to expand surveillance powers like Bill Barr's pre-crime DEEP program.
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- Tim compares the inaccurate coronavirus narrative to weapons of mass destruction justifications for war.
- Evidence cited for a Chinese bioweapon was actually funded by both Chinese and US government organizations, including research at the Wuhan lab connected to Fort Dietrich.
- People claiming the virus is exclusively a Chinese bioweapon omit the fact that an American researcher worked at the Wuhan lab.
- Public health has replaced terrorism as the invisible enemy justifying government power grabs, similar to post-9/11 rights erosions.
- Surveillance systems now being promoted for coronavirus control were planned months earlier under different names like HARPA and SafeHome.
- The government attaches whatever Americans fear most to pre-planned surveillance solutions they want to implement.
- The proposed coronavirus surveillance system would merge private medical records with smartphone data to monitor social distancing.
- Bill Barr created DEEP, a pre-crime program last October that arrests people based on health records and social media before they can commit violence.
- After coronavirus lockdowns, the Department of Justice requested indefinite detention authority without trial, which they haven't yet obtained.
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- 7 min
Whitney details a FOIA-obtained document from the National Security Commission on AI, chaired by Eric Schmidt, arguing the US must adopt Chinese-style surveillance (cashless society, no private car ownership, phone-based everything) to stay ahead of China.
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- National Security Commission on AI, led by Eric Schmidt, recommends the US adopt a Chinese-style surveillance state to maintain technological advantage.
- A leaked FOIA document reveals the commission wants to eliminate cash, credit cards, individual car ownership, and in-person shopping as 'legacy systems.'
- They're using the pandemic as a controlled demolition of the economy to remake society before reopening it.
- The coronavirus relief bill contained provisions for digital dollars and mobile wallet systems similar to India's model after demonetization.
- Like the Patriot Act after 9/11, this surveillance bill was prepared well in advance; agencies ran pandemic simulations throughout 2019 including a Treasury-focused exercise.
- They want to consolidate all transactions and tracking onto smartphones rather than allow laptops or dispersed technology.
- China uses police voice recognition technology to arrest people before they commit crimes, and the commission presents this as a model for US surveillance infrastructure.
- The commission includes tech CEOs and CIA figures, with members simultaneously involved in the current pandemic response and economic reopening efforts.
- Eliminating private vehicle ownership isn't climate-motivated but designed to create autonomous ride-sharing fleets where the tech industry controls transportation infrastructure and profits.
- The pitch is competition: if we don't chip people and eliminate privacy, China will do it first and dominate the market, forcing Silicon Valley to follow.
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- 3 min
They discuss how the same tech/intelligence figures behind the surveillance document are involved in 'reopening the economy,' the bigger Wall Street bailout than 2008, and how global lockdowns conveniently suppressed protest movements like the Yellow Vests and Hong Kong.
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- Tim argues the lockdown is being used as cover to implement policies normally unacceptable to the public.
- The corporate relief bill was four times bigger than the 2008 bailout, but lockdown prevents the protest response that followed before.
- Yellow vests in France, Hong Kong protests, and other movements dissolved after lockdowns were introduced in their respective countries.
- Chile's president suspended the constitution for 90 days and declared lockdown before a single COVID death occurred.
- Tim claims the underlying rhetoric—'China will take over unless we act now'—reveals elites actually want to adopt the Chinese model themselves.
- The real goal is letting America implement authoritarian control first, then claiming it's necessary to compete with China for global dominance.
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- 3 min
Closing discussion of US hypocrisy on human rights versus China, predictions Whitney will be deplatformed, and where listeners can find and support her work via Patreon and The Last American Vagabond.
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- Tim notes the U.S. government maintains public and private positions, citing Clinton's framing of the dichotomy.
- Whitney Webb explains where people can find and support her work, mentioning her upcoming Epstein book with a small publisher.
- She funds research, database access, and other expenses out of pocket, directing listeners to support her on Patreon.
- Webb mentions she's on Twitter, Mastodon, and Gab because she expects to be deplatformed at some point.
- Webb directs readers to her written work at the Last American Vagabond website and YouTube channel.
- Tim calls Webb an 'essential worker' and urges listeners to support and read her work.