Interview · moment 26 of 29

Why Francis Trusts the System and Tim Doesn't

from Francis Ellis · #144

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7 min

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Tim probes why Francis needs to have faith in government institutions to avoid anxiety, contrasting it with his own cynical, question-everything wiring, and discussing rogue elements within intelligence agencies.

In this bit9 moments
  • 1:12:40Francis argues he must have faith in the government system or he'd lose his mind to anxiety.
  • 1:13:42Tim mentions he applied to the CIA while in college.
  • 1:14:44Institutional injustice and police brutality on the South Side of Chicago depend on where you are in society's hierarchy.
  • 1:15:32Tim credits his suspicious and cynical humor to his natural DNA, contrasting with Francis's hopeful disposition.
  • 1:15:43As a child in Catholic Church, Tim felt instinctively that the priest was full of shit because of his robe and position.
  • 1:16:42Tim doesn't believe the government orchestrated 9/11 directly but was lied to about Saudi Arabia's role and the reasons for invading Iraq and Afghanistan.
  • 1:17:44Bush and Cheney refused to testify before the 9/11 Commission without sitting next to each other, a sign of a society that's fundamentally broken.
  • 1:18:27The Dick Cheney movie was heavy-handed with propaganda despite Christian Bale's phenomenal performance.
  • 1:18:59Operation Northwoods revealed that CIA elements considered false-flag operations to justify military action.
Mentioned here

Operation Northwoods9/11Saudi ArabiaChristian BaleAfghanistanGeorge W. BushCatholic ChurchBarstool SportsChicagoAbu GhraibJames KeeneCIADick CheneyHarvard

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