Interview · moment 16 of 25
The 2007 ABC News Torture Disclosure
from Our Best Episode (Inside the CIA with John Kiriakou) · #136
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6 minGuest
Kiriakou details how he became a whistleblower: declining torture training, Brian Ross's ABC interview after Bush denied torture publicly, and how the Obama DOJ secretly reopened the case against him after the FBI had cleared him.
- 1:10:10Bush looks at the camera and says 'we do not torture,' and the speaker tells his wife he's a bald-faced liar.
- 1:10:27Days later, Bush claims torture is the result of a rogue CIA officer, and the speaker realizes Brian Ross's sources are going to pin this on him.
- 1:10:50Within 24 hours of doing the interview, the CIA files a crimes report and the FBI begins investigating the speaker.
- 1:11:14After the FBI closes the case in December 2008, the CIA secretly asks the Obama Justice Department to reopen it.
- 1:11:59The speaker actually did resign from the CIA to spend more time with his family—he had two young sons in Ohio and didn't want to go back overseas.
- 1:12:50On 9/11, the speaker was working on the 17 November Task Force targeting a Greek communist terrorist group, but by end of day almost everyone in the CIA was working on al-Qaeda.
- 1:13:21The speaker volunteers repeatedly for Afghanistan, then threatens to walk to Exxon with his Arabic skills unless sent overseas immediately.
- 1:14:26The CIA was so obsessed with killing Osama bin Laden that it took months before headquarters even asked what to do if they caught someone.
- 1:15:04Mitchell and Jessen were psychologists crafting interrogation methods based on their understanding of what was taboo in Arab culture.
- 1:15:41After being asked if he received interrogation training, the speaker answers with 'a resounding no.'
- 1:15:56The speaker says they were just winging it while out in the field.
President BushBarack ObamaMitchell and JessenOsama bin LadenBrian Ross