Interview · moment 16 of 25

The 2007 ABC News Torture Disclosure

from Our Best Episode (Inside the CIA with John Kiriakou) · #136

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6 min

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Kiriakou details how he became a whistleblower: declining torture training, Brian Ross's ABC interview after Bush denied torture publicly, and how the Obama DOJ secretly reopened the case against him after the FBI had cleared him.

In this bit11 moments
  • 1:10:10Bush looks at the camera and says 'we do not torture,' and the speaker tells his wife he's a bald-faced liar.
  • 1:10:27Days later, Bush claims torture is the result of a rogue CIA officer, and the speaker realizes Brian Ross's sources are going to pin this on him.
  • 1:10:50Within 24 hours of doing the interview, the CIA files a crimes report and the FBI begins investigating the speaker.
  • 1:11:14After the FBI closes the case in December 2008, the CIA secretly asks the Obama Justice Department to reopen it.
  • 1:11:59The speaker actually did resign from the CIA to spend more time with his family—he had two young sons in Ohio and didn't want to go back overseas.
  • 1:12:50On 9/11, the speaker was working on the 17 November Task Force targeting a Greek communist terrorist group, but by end of day almost everyone in the CIA was working on al-Qaeda.
  • 1:13:21The speaker volunteers repeatedly for Afghanistan, then threatens to walk to Exxon with his Arabic skills unless sent overseas immediately.
  • 1:14:26The CIA was so obsessed with killing Osama bin Laden that it took months before headquarters even asked what to do if they caught someone.
  • 1:15:04Mitchell and Jessen were psychologists crafting interrogation methods based on their understanding of what was taboo in Arab culture.
  • 1:15:41After being asked if he received interrogation training, the speaker answers with 'a resounding no.'
  • 1:15:56The speaker says they were just winging it while out in the field.
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President BushBarack ObamaMitchell and JessenOsama bin LadenBrian Ross

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