News · moment 12 of 14
Michael Cohen's Secret Trump Recording
from Not A Legal Expert · #106
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3 minNews
Ray discusses the newly surfaced Michael Cohen recording of Trump discussing paying off Karen McDougal, questioning why Cohen would record his own boss and speculating about attorney-client privilege and Trump's demeaning treatment of Cohen.
- 44:22Michael Cohen recorded Trump negotiating payoffs to porn stars, apparently Karen McDougal.
- 44:56Tim questions why Cohen would make the recording in the first place—was it insurance against Trump backing out of the deal?
- 45:15Trump used to belittle Cohen constantly, calling him a dumb fuck and mocking his father.
- 45:30Tim compares the dynamic to his own relationship with Howie—negotiating while knowing you're being set up to be betrayed later.
- 46:00Tangent: Tim's chef friend texts him pictures of food mid-conversation, including wontons with American cheese in the soup.
- 46:33The recording of Trump and Cohen negotiating Karen McDougal's payoff may be legally admissible since New York is a one-party consent state.
- 46:58Attorney-client privilege typically doesn't apply when a lawyer is negotiating with a third party, only in confidential legal advice.
- 47:11Tim expresses bewilderment at the whole situation with the recording and its legal implications.
Donald TrumpMichael CohenKaren McDougal