Episode 101 · The GaS Digital / Ray Kump Era
No More Life In A Cage
Jun 20, 2018 · 1:13:50 · 20 segments, 151 moments indexed
- 1 min
Brief music/announcer intro naming the episode Tim Dillon is Going to Hell, and Ray Kump's imminent arrival.
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- 0:00Show intro: Tim Dillon is going to hell with Tim Dillon and Ray Kump
- 0:14Tim notes Ray Kump is on his way and will arrive in a few minutes
- 3 min
Kids in Cages: A Line We Should All Agree On
#Tim opens on family separation at the border, arguing immigration is a complex issue worthy of debate but that putting children in cages is an indefensible baseline everyone should reject, mocking people who justify it by saying the children 'broke the law.'
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- 0:32Tim opens with the provocative framing that today is fun news if you have a kids-in-cages fetish.
- 0:51He acknowledges immigration is complex and emotionally charged, with nuance on both sides.
- 1:30Tim's core position: putting kids in cages is simply not the move, and everyone should agree on that baseline.
- 2:10People on Twitter defend the cages by claiming the children broke the law, which Tim finds logically indefensible.
- 2:42He clarifies that opposing unlimited immigration doesn't make someone automatically racist or a Nazi.
- 2:54Tim lays out legitimate policy concerns: border security, economic capacity, and wage depression for low-skilled workers.
- 3:23He returns to the core ask: draw a line around this one issue and agree that kids don't belong in cages.
- 3 min
Ray Kump joins and they discuss the Senate response to the cage policy, Trump's Art of the Deal quote plastered on an abandoned Walmart shelter, and whether comedy and art are obligated to reflect the moment, comparing it to art under Nazi Germany.
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- 4:06Tim argues that debate about kids in cages with people making memes as jokes isn't productive, but the country should at least agree children don't belong in pens.
- 5:37Ray Kump enters and agrees, suggesting the solution is simply to stop caging people—they're not going to stop them anyway.
- 6:10Tim maintains that immigration and security concerns are debatable topics, but draws a line: the wealthiest country in the world can't have pens of children.
- 6:44Children were being kept at a Walmart with a Trump quote from an executive order plastered on the wall.
- 5 min
Tim and Ray riff on how comedy used to tear down everyone regardless of side, contrasting Carlin, Kinison, and Pryor with modern comics who shill for factions, and speculating that classic comedians would have opposed Trump-era policies.
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- 7:00Tim argues comedy shouldn't be exclusively a vehicle for progressive opinions.
- 7:37He doesn't believe comedy is actually a force for change, but acknowledges the difficulty of ignoring real atrocities like children in cages.
- 8:26Comedy, like all art, should reflect the society you live in—comparing silence to ignoring fascism in 1939 Germany.
- 9:00Tim questions what position Hollywood elites should take, mocking the idea that Brad Pitt should advocate for border enforcement instead.
- 9:27Artists advocating for lower capital gains taxes or tariffs on steel isn't the recipe for great art or prose.
- 10:03He riffs on the absurdity of celebrities making race-based economic claims, mentioning Bruno Mars doing a Dodge commercial.
- 10:28Bob Dylan doing a car commercial angered old people who wish they'd died before seeing it.
- 10:52When Tim was growing up, comedy was where you'd hear someone call bullshit on everybody—the state, the church, without being on anyone's side.
- 11:22Comedy has become safe and neutered to everyone, but Carlin, Hicks, and Pryor would have screamed against Trump's wall.
- 11:38A hundred percent agreement that those comics would be the first guys railing against the wall.
- 5 min
They mock Laura Ingraham's Fox News comparison of detention centers to a boarding school or summer camp, riff on Jane Mayer's reporting, and Tim jokes about his own childhood being locked in a shed, before cueing up an Ann Coulter clip.
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- 11:41Bill Hicks wouldn't have supported this guy or the people who think he would have.
- 12:10Tim ate two slices of pizza and immediately crashed from carbs.
- 12:23Comedians' job is to shine a light on society, not shill for a particular power faction.
- 13:08None of his heroes would have supported Trump, despite everyone claiming to have a cynical viewpoint.
- 13:40Tim wants to hammer virtue signaling more, but government putting children in cages gets in the way.
- 14:13Laura Ingraham called the detention centers a summer camp or boarding school.
- 14:46Jane Mayer from the New Yorker should go undercover as an ICE agent in the cages to expose the truth.
- 15:29Ingraham compared the detention pens to the time Tim was locked in a shed by older kids.
- 16:04The mylar blankets and 'Art of the Deal' quote on the wall make the detention centers look like the best case scenario.
- 16:40Tim wants to find Ann Coulter's take on the children in a YouTube video, not a tweet.
- 4 min
They play and react to Ann Coulter's claim that the crying migrant children are coached actors, marveling at her shamelessness, and joke about wanting to see her get physically taken down on a Fox panel.
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- 17:07Tim on Ann Coulter's lack of credibility despite constantly escalating her claims.
- 17:41She's a shock jock, not a politician trying to maintain a persona.
- 18:25Tim imagines a two-year-old from Guatemala reciting conservative talking points verbatim.
- 19:07Coulter's comments about coached children were based on a specific New Yorker article, not kids in cages.
- 19:33Nobody wants to get in a clip arguing with Coulter because she's too radioactive.
- 19:47Tim fantasizes about someone throwing haymakers at Coulter on a Fox News panel.
- 20:09The only thing better than getting beaten in LA is Ann Coulter suplexing someone at Fox News.
- 3 min
The Avocado Toast Publicist Meeting Disaster
#Tim tells a story about going to the wrong 'Gray Dog' restaurant, sitting in avocado smeared on a table, ruining his shirt trying to clean it, dumping water on himself before a publicist meeting, and then eating avocado toast anyway.
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- 20:25Tim arrives at the wrong Gray Dog restaurant for a publicist meeting and sits at a table covered in avocado.
- 21:27His manager's assistant calls to redirect him to the correct Gray Dog while he's covered in avocado smeared all over his shirt.
- 21:47Tim runs into a Liquid Art smoothie place next door, dumps water on his shirt trying to rinse off the avocado, and arrives at the meeting soaking wet.
- 22:26The publicist buys him breakfast and ironically orders him avocado toast, which he actually enjoys.
- 22:42Tim explains the proper way to eat avocado toast: smashed avocado with two over easy eggs, red pepper flakes, and chicken apple sausage on the side.
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- 7 min
They discuss Dave Smith's prediction that the cage controversy could hurt Trump in the midterms, then pivot into a long riff about entitled white middle-class resentment, and how people get radicalized online via 'edgy' shitposting personalities into red-pill/race politics.
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- 23:27Senate Republicans voting against an issue could either save the party in midterms or cause people to turn on them, but voters are revealing themselves to be worse than assumed.
- 24:08The quote about looking at Congress and saying 'you think they're bad, you should see who put them here'—pointing to the electorate itself.
- 24:31The uneducated white middle class is more entitled than welfare queens, expecting pensions and benefits for doing jobs that a twelve-year-old could do.
- 25:12People who engage in subversive humor and irony online often turn out to be genuinely hateful, bringing only discredited conspiracy theories to the conversation.
- 25:59It's easy to fall down the radicalization rabbit hole when searching for subversive comedy online—charismatic personalities normalize extreme ideas over time.
- 26:43Vocabulary shifts as you consume edgy content: 'normies,' 'red-pilled,' and then the slide accelerates—race realism, the JQ, and suddenly you're David Duke.
- 27:30Conspiracy content like Zeitgeist presented fragments of truth mixed with fabrication, making it easy for someone looking to question authority to go off the rails.
- 28:09Genuine conspiracy research required cross-referencing books and using your own intuition, not the binary globalist-versus-freedom-fighter framework Alex Jones promotes.
- 28:37Globalism isn't designed by ten people in a room; it's the inevitable result of free markets and technology, and millions of people have been lifted out of poverty through it.
- 29:20The real issue is leaders who champion globalism while exploiting developing countries—a complex problem that doesn't reduce to simple conspiracy narratives.
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- 6 min
A wide-ranging discussion of globalism as an inevitable byproduct of technology and free markets, Alex Jones's hypocrisy, Sam Hyde's Million Dollar Extreme and his donation to the Daily Stormer, Jordan Peterson's mixed messaging, and why free speech matters even for people you despise.
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- 29:49Tim mocks the globalist conspiracy theory phrasing by repeating "pedophile vampires globalists are coming."
- 30:03The irony of Alex Jones using YouTube—the ultimate globalist platform—to broadcast about globalism worldwide.
- 30:18Tim points out Jones makes millions hawking supplements while claiming to fight globalism, calling it pure impulse.
- 30:33Traditional values movements want women back home, gay people back in closet, black people back at the back of the bus—none of it's actually happening.
- 31:09Sam Hyde is very funny, but donating $5,000 to Andrew Anglin's Daily Stormer crosses from free speech principle into actual support.
- 32:01True free speech means hating something with every fiber of your being and still defending the right to say it—not funding it while claiming principle.
- 32:54Tim's argument for free speech: shutting down conversation leaves only violence as an option.
- 33:21Jordan Peterson talks constantly about free speech but his material is milquetoast and filled with Hallmark card platitudes.
- 34:20Mainstream society ignored drone strikes on Pakistani children under Obama but ignores resistance movements now that Trump's in office.
- 35:07Rome's best-case scenario was Augustus Caesar temporarily fixing corruption before the empire collapsed—and Tim sees no reason why America would be different.
- 35:33The seeds of America's destruction have been sown and he cannot imagine a real turnaround happening.
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- 6 min
Driving Through Mastic Beach, Long Island
#Tim and Ray describe scouting locations in economically depressed Mastic Beach, Long Island, describing boarded-up houses next to well-kept ones, the lack of public transportation, and how hard it would be to escape poverty there.
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- 35:41Tim and crew drove to Mastic Beach on Long Island looking for locations for a project.
- 35:56Mastic Beach is economically depressed—not like an inner city with activity, just areas with not much going on.
- 36:42The town is filled with drug addicts, boarded-up houses, and mostly white people in visible decay.
- 36:54A tattooed young mother with a baby in a power wheel looked like she wanted to stab Tim when he called it adorable.
- 37:22Mastic Beach has decent houses scattered among boarded-up properties, creating a post-apocalyptic patchwork.
- 38:12Tim says he couldn't live there even in a nice house because something feels fundamentally wrong about the place.
- 38:57The stretch from William Floyd Parkway to Montauk Highway through Mastic is just darkness getting progressively worse with a burnt rubber smell.
- 39:24Despite stories about gangs, they saw mostly migrants and newcomers looking for work, no gang activity in broad daylight.
- 39:44Mastic feels more depressing because you're constantly looking at people with no way out.
- 40:26Pulling yourself out of poverty in Mastic is nearly impossible—you'd have to walk three to four miles just to reach a bus, and the system requires multiple transfers that don't always run.
- 41:05When snow comes and buses don't show up, escaping poverty becomes even harder; the structural barriers are genuinely brutal in this country.
- 3 min
Continuing the Mastic Beach material, they read a news article about the Long Island village voting to disband six years after incorporating due to infighting and rising taxes, and joke about becoming mayor.
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- 42:07Tim imagines becoming mayor of Mastic Beach and questions what his first order of business would be.
- 42:50His plan: fuck it, sell everything for scrap and figure out how to dump stuff at Brookhaven National Lab.
- 43:13Tim describes cleaning tampons out of the fucking drains as actual first-order infrastructure work.
- 43:38Mastic Beach's website lost its domain because they didn't pay for it, and the village voted to disband itself six years after incorporating.
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- 1 min
The Poospatuck Reservation Cigarette Shops
#Tim recalls visiting the Poospatuck reservation, noting nobody there looked Native American and it was mostly cheap cigarette shops.
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- 44:27Tim questions whether the newly incorporated village operates like an Indian reservation with its own rules outside state and federal law.
- 44:42Tim brings up the Poospatuck reservation, which he's discussed before on the show.
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- 6 min
Teaching Improv at the Norwood Club with Kevin Farley
#Tim recounts being roped by his girlfriend Michelle into teaching an improv class with Kevin Farley (Chris Farley's brother) to rich Norwood Club members, then jokes about joining the club himself and monetizing seminars, riffing on a fake $100/month 'keep a kid in a cage' ad.
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- 45:15Tim smoked an American Spirit cigarette with Michelle last night at the Norwood Club.
- 45:29Michelle surprised him by announcing he'd be teaching an improv class with Kevin Farley, Chris Farley's brother.
- 45:43Tim and Kevin Farley taught an improv class to rich people in Manhattan at the club.
- 46:14Kevin Farley instructed students to pull someone out of a scene if they're bombing, and one student actually did it to a struggling performer.
- 46:46Tim plans to join the Norwood Club so he and Pete can run events and seminars on whatever they want.
- 47:03Michelle is hosting an event about vision boarding at the club, and Tim notes the membership is only about $120 a month.
- 47:25Tim jokes about Republican websites offering child cages for $100 a month with monthly screams included.
- 47:56Pete says Tim has to prove he's a creative to join the club, but Michelle can sponsor him.
- 48:38Tim loves the idea of doing a seminar on nonsense at the Norwood Club and beating people out of money.
- 49:13Michelle teaches vision boarding by telling people to put what they want on a board—a boat, a sold script—simple stuff.
- 49:39Pete suggests Michelle deals in weird social currency at the club that Tim doesn't quite understand.
- 50:20Pete accuses Tim of being an observer who only questions why people do things rather than doing things himself.
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- 5 min
Tim and Ray argue about whether Ray is just an 'observer' who criticizes people's motives rather than a doer, which leads Ray to defend himself by bringing up his own unfinished feature film with non-actors and changing weather, and a college short called Truck Stop.
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- 51:09Tim argues he's an observer because he picks apart what people do and identifies what's good and what isn't good.
- 51:43Sometimes what people do is just about manifesting something into the world, not necessarily pursuing a hidden angle.
- 52:23The guest suggests Tim struggles to understand people who do things without an immediately identifiable motive.
- 53:02Tim mentions he made a movie almost and describes it as a feature-length outdoor film with non-actors and regular people.
- 53:22The film had way too many characters, the weather kept changing during shooting, and many participants weren't trained actors.
- 54:06Tim explains the movie was about 75 percent done when winter arrived and they couldn't shoot the remaining outdoor fight scenes.
- 54:20Looking back, Tim cringes at the project and admits the script wasn't great, though the guest suggests he should have made ten more films.
- 54:41Tim mentions trying to get his hands on a 1990 NYU student film called Truck Stop that he appeared in.
- 55:00Tim's plan to retrieve the film involves publicly naming the director as a last resort so his fans will pressure the director.
- 55:12Tim jokes that his four fans are all inept and imagines them getting arrested trying to retrieve the movie for him.
- 55:27Tim shouts out Call George and specifies he prefers fake syrup over fresh Vermont syrup.
- 6 min
Pitching a Fake Documentary About Kids in Cages to Norwood Investors
#They improvise a bit where Ray pitches a scammy $300,000 documentary about caged migrant children to wealthy Norwood Club donors, including him playing a child in blackface and a fake crucifixion, escalating into an absurd fundraising pitch.
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- 55:59Tim pitches a documentary about kids in cages to wealthy Norwood Club members as his first movie in a while.
- 57:06His plan combines documentary and narrative, with Tim playing one of the children in the film.
- 57:30When asked about budget, Tim requests credit card access to rent equipment, jumping from 20-30 grand to 300 grand for a full-length version.
- 58:06For $20,000, Tim's actual plan involves getting a cage, putting himself in it, and fair-using news clips as filler.
- 58:41The investor asks if Tim will paint his skin brown to look like an immigrant child, which Tim seems to consider doing.
- 58:57Tim argues modern audiences need fast-paced editing with pans and zooms, not long-form documentaries.
- 59:20He suggests going to the White House to set himself on fire on film, done in post-production, or doing a fake crucifixion.
- 59:57When asked what he'll add to the club, Tim claims he's a filmmaker who made "The Fog of War" before the actual Robert McNamara documentary.
- 1:00:34Tim admits his version of The Fog of War was unfinished, and he should have been making shorts instead of features in 2020.
- 1:00:59Tim pivots to mentioning he photographed autopsies at a morgue, which he identifies as the clutch card that gets people interested.
- 1:01:18The investor agrees the morgue story is a good pull, and Tim celebrates having landed the Norwood Club pitch.
- 1:01:36Tim ends the bit by yelling "Fuck it" repeatedly.
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- 5 min
Tim plugs his July 3rd Netflix special, recounts a conversation with his manager about it disappearing from a media portal, discusses how specials never capture live energy, and lists upcoming tour dates including Mohegan Sun, DC, Montreal, and Dublin.
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- 1:01:43Netflix special drops July 3rd, and Tim's manager Brian sends him a link to watch it beforehand.
- 1:02:08The Netflix media center link doesn't work — the access has already expired.
- 1:02:22Tim asks his manager if he looks like he's killing it, and gets told audiences won't look like they're doing well in any special.
- 1:03:00Comedy is meant to be experienced live; older specials with properly miked audiences of thousands sound different from modern Netflix releases.
- 1:04:04Tour dates: Cleveland Hilarities June 20-23, Mohegan Sun August 5-7.
- 1:04:59Kennedy Center in Washington DC on July 12th, then Montreal July 19-26.
- 1:05:16Flying from Montreal to Dublin for $300 on a cheap airline.
- 1:05:42Dublin's Vodafone Comedy Festival August 27-29, plus dates in Lexington, Chicago, and Providence.
- 1:06:03Netflix special coming out July 3rd — set your DVR.
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- 2 min
Social Media Plugs and the Mute Photography Subject Joke
#Tim tells Ray to improve his Instagram, jokes about photographing a mute woman and gouging her eyes out, then pivots to a bit about wanting to be 'put in the cage' like Sean Penn's death row line from Dead Man Walking.
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- 1:06:15Tim promotes his various projects and social media accounts across platforms.
- 1:06:37Guest suggests Tim's Instagram photography could be much better and funnier.
- 1:06:55Tim agrees to start taking pictures but is cautioned to be consensual about it.
- 1:07:06A mute woman asked Tim to photograph her, claiming her eyes draw people in.
- 1:07:20Tim jokes about gouging out her eyes and insists everything is complicated, demanding legal representation and a cage.
- 1:07:34Tim references Dead Man Walking and Sean Penn's line about freedom from bars and cages before dying.
- 3 min
They watch and react to the Sean Penn 'no more life in a cage' clip from Dead Man Walking, then tangent into discussing Jacob's Ladder holding up as a film.
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- 1:07:59Jacob's Ladder won't hold up anymore and isn't actually scary.
- 1:08:13Tim saw it as a young kid and found it creepy, but now realizes it's not that disturbing.
- 1:08:33Dead Man Walking is one of the best movies, though Tim's guest has never seen it.
- 1:09:18Searching YouTube for the "no more life in the cage" scene from Dead Man Walking.
- 1:09:33The scene is brilliant and such a good movie moment, even though it looks like a love story.
- 1:09:50The guard tells them it's time for visitors to leave, marking the end of the visitation hour.
- 1:10:17Tim's guest has never seen Dead Man Walking and finds this one of Tim's best recommendations.
- 1 min
Putting Mastic Beach (and Ray) in a Cage
#Callback riff combining the cage material and Mastic Beach bit, plus a brief joke about whether Ray was ever officially confirmed as a permanent co-host on the show.
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- 1:10:34Tim pitches the episode title: 'Put Mastic Beach in a cage.'
- 1:10:46Ray notes that this is the thing that actually gets them in trouble.
- 1:10:56Tim points out that Ray's name is on the show, so they should also say 'put Ray in a cage.'
- 2 min
Sign-Off: ICE Is a Corrupt, Slavery-Like Institution
#Closing rant arguing ICE and the drug war function as a form of modern slavery and tyranny with no interest in rehabilitation, telling ICE agents to quit their jobs before saying goodnight.
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- 1:11:48Tim's advice to kids on escaping with their phone: cover yourself in a bunger and squeeze out.
- 1:12:12Tim describes ICE as one of the most corrupt organizations he's ever seen.
- 1:12:25The drug war apparatus has no investment in rehabilitation, only in clogging the system.
- 1:12:36Tim questions the logic of imprisoning someone for ten years for having a joint or a couple doses.
- 1:12:47The rehabilitation system just moves people from a hard cage to a softer, quieter cage.
- 1:12:58Tim compares ICE and the drug war system to slavery and social control mechanisms.
- 1:13:20Tim tells ICE employees to quit their jobs and start podcasts because they're bad people.
- 1:13:34ICE has toddlers informing on other toddlers like little rats.
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