Interview · moment 14 of 14
Double, Triple, and Quadruple Agents: The January 2017 Ukraine Peace Plan Meeting
from Boss of Bosses (with Russ Baker) · #38
Audio-only archive episode — no video to seek.
6 minGuest
Russ explains spy-craft terminology (double/triple/quadruple agents) and reveals the January 2017 meeting where a pro-Moscow Ukrainian lawmaker brought a Putin-backed peace proposal to Michael Cohen and Felix Sater in a New York hotel.
- 54:55Tim acknowledges the media isn't all incompetent, but most reporters lack the intellectual capacity for genuinely difficult investigative work.
- 55:17The article got record traffic at whoWuWhy.org, with important people calling it one of the biggest stories in years, yet major newsroom reporters dismiss it as incomprehensible.
- 56:00Media figures write what government sources dictate because they depend on access to FBI, CIA, and NSA beat sources for their coverage.
- 56:44Tim asks whether the CIA's conflict with Trump stems from genuine national security concerns or opposition to ending the perpetual war machine.
- 57:21The CIA is not monolithic—the relevant factions exist at lower levels and connect to banking and military-industrial complex interests, not the agency director.
- 58:12After 9/11, Seder was likely used as an asset in the climate of counter-terrorism, traveling to the former Soviet Union while technically free despite near-criminal status.
- 58:47Putin apparently allowed Seder to move freely—a mystery explained only by the possibility that he was some kind of asset worth protecting, not eliminating.
- 59:33Double agents, triple agents, and quadruple agents create murky counter-intelligence histories where certainty is impossible about who really works for whom.
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