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The Gilded Age, Mugwumps, and the Origins of Expert-Rule Ideology

from The Acid Story with Curtis Yarvin | The Tim Dillon Show #310 · #310

8 min

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Curtis traces the intellectual origins of technocratic contempt for politics to the Gilded Age's corrupt machine politicians, the Fabians and Mugwumps, and aristocratic intellectuals like the Adams family who wanted power moved to experts.

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  • Tim explains how intellectual elites became convinced experts should run government instead of elected politicians.
  • The Mugwumps—aristocratic liberal Republicans like Charles Francis Adams Jr. and Henry Adams—led the movement toward expert rule.
  • Intellectual elites watched corrupt political machines like Boss Tweed run government while they possessed knowledge and vision.
  • The Mugwumps developed contempt for politics and politicians, pushing the idea that real policy should be made by experts instead.
  • Tim argues the founding mistake: elites believed democracy doesn't work because voters choose thieves and clowns, not philosopher kings.
  • American citizens at the time couldn't devise the right policies for themselves—they were a rising third world country.
  • Ancient Athenian democracy was considered a slur and mob rule; modern scholars note its own period called it the worst system ever devised.
  • Schools taught Americans were a republic, not a democracy, because the Founders feared mob rule.
  • The Constitution was a right-wing coup against the Articles of Confederation, which were more democratic and more chaotic.
  • The Articles of Confederation period—13 years of American history—is completely erased from education, with no names or events taught.
Mentioned here

Charles Francis Adams Jr.LizzoHenry AdamsAthenian democracyThomas JeffersonArticles of ConfederationThomas PaineDavid Foster WallaceThe French RevolutionSocrates

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