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The Death of Counterculture and Comparing Obama to Trump's Wars

from King of the Restaurant with Ray Kump · #145

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5 min

Tim argues there's no real counterculture left in comedy, and pivots into a broader argument that Obama's drone strikes and multiple wars were comparable in harm to Trump, exposing America's core identity as an entertainment-obsessed empire indifferent to global suffering.

In this bit13 moments
  • 1:04:22Bill Hicks and Colin Quinn challenged the military-industrial complex, but today's counterculture comedians are just safe and don't actually oppose anything.
  • 1:04:52There is no more counterculture anymore.
  • 1:05:39Even when we thought things were better 20 years ago, we were still acting like a literal empire starting wars.
  • 1:05:51Obama drone-struck Pakistani weddings killing kids and no one cared, while Bush's wars killed 150,000 to a million people.
  • 1:06:17Trump is terrible, but is he worse than Bush? No.
  • 1:06:27America's only business left is entertainment, so people care about how they appear rather than what's actually happening underground.
  • 1:07:00People felt good voting for Obama thinking they were moving the country forward, but he conducted five wars including Yemen, Syria, Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
  • 1:07:22Obama campaigned on encouraging whistleblowing but had the worst record on it, and journalists were intimidated.
  • 1:07:40Obama was one of the more well-intentioned presidents to a certain extent, but the system still crushes reform.
  • 1:07:55Any single person is going against hundreds of years of systemic corruption—you're one guy with a sword trying to injure a massive fed beast.
  • 1:08:36You're asking corrupt people to vote for things that remove their own power, which is insurmountable without major civil disobedience or catastrophic events.
  • 1:08:53Change might require a world war, pandemic, or massive die-off because anything less gets co-opted by fascism or state crackdowns.
  • 1:09:18One agent provocateur throwing something into a protest makes the whole movement a problem.
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Donald TrumpBarack ObamaGeorge W. BushBill HicksColinBernie Sanders

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