Interview · moment 28 of 29
Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, and 9/11 Coincidences
from Francis Ellis · #144
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4 minGuest
Francis brings up Operation Northwoods, the fabricated Gulf of Tonkin incident, Saudi involvement in 9/11, the Vigilant Guardian war game coincidence, and the suspicious death of journalist Michael Hastings.
- 1:19:32Tim explains he's not claiming the government did 9/11, but questions why it's crazy to examine what happened afterward: the surveillance state, wars, and who got rich.
- 1:20:17Senator Bob Graham from Florida pushed to know why the U.S. covered up Saudi Arabia's role when 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi.
- 1:20:47On 9/11 itself, government officials claimed nobody could have imagined a plane hitting a building—yet that day NORAD was running a war game called Vigilant Guardian simulating exactly that scenario.
- 1:21:49In 9/11 tapes, people repeatedly ask 'Is this real world or exercise?' because the drill was simulating the exact attack happening in real time.
- 1:22:19Investigative reporter Michael Hastings, who got Stanley McChrystal fired, said he was being followed and his car was being tampered with; three days later he crashed into a tree and exploded.
- 1:22:47Tim notes that if Michael Hastings' car crash happened in Russia, everyone would immediately blame Putin, but in America people shrug and move on.
- 1:23:05Tim admits he naively believed Watergate changed things and that government oversight was ratcheted up afterward.
- 1:23:19Yale and Harvard students are taught the system works and holds itself accountable—because those institutions need them to believe it so they'll run the company competently.
- 1:23:33As a clown, Tim doesn't need to believe the official story, but people working at companies have the bullshit shoved down their throat.
Michael HastingsBob GrahamStanley McChrystalVigilant GuardianWatergate