Interview · moment 23 of 29
Alex Jones and Sandy Hook Crisis Actors
from Francis Ellis · #144
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5 minGuest
Francis draws the line at Alex Jones's Sandy Hook crisis actor claims, discussing government lies like the Boston Marathon bombing and Abu Ghraib as context for conspiratorial thinking, while condemning the harassment of Sandy Hook families.
- 58:00Tim describes how being in the conspiracy world can make credible-sounding claims that would get you exiled in polite society.
- 58:39He doesn't believe Sandy Hook had crisis actors, but points to historical cases like Gulf of Tonkin and Boston Marathon bombing where authorities advanced false narratives first.
- 59:26Tim theorizes that Alex Jones's role became questioning official stories by advancing opposite possibilities, some of which sound insane but occasionally turn out true.
- 59:48Torture program example: if you'd claimed the day after Abu Ghraib that the Defense Department designed a coordinated torture and rendition program, you'd have been laughed off major news outlets—yet that's exactly what happened.
- 1:00:39Tim says Alex Jones made a grave error with Sandy Hook and the harassment of families that followed was completely disgusting and inexcusable.
- 1:01:13Alex made sloppy, reckless statements, but Tim questions whether we should live in a world where people get exiled from society for saying things they regret.
- 1:01:32On Joe Rogan's podcast, Alex did apologize for twenty minutes out of a five-hour conversation, though the apology doesn't undo the harm to families.
- 1:02:00Tim's final stance: the alternative—blindly believing government narratives—seems equally wrong given historical examples of repeated lies to the public.
Alex JonesBoston Marathon bombingSandy HookAbu GhraibDefense DepartmentJoe RoganGeorge W. BushDick CheneyDonald RumsfeldRussian intelligenceGulf of TonkinNew York TimesThe Today ShowThe Washington PostWall Street JournalGood Morning America