Episode 117 · The GaS Digital / Ray Kump Era
Fat Camp with Justin Silver
with Justin Silver
Oct 12, 2018 · 1:05:29 · 16 segments, 130 moments indexed
- 1 min
Cold Open: Ray's Vape Jewel
#Tim mocks Ray for constantly sucking on a vape device, opening the episode with jabs about his health habits and the switch from cigarettes.
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- 0:01Opening of Tim Dillon Is Going To Hell with Tim Dillon and Ray Kump
- 1 min
Vaping, Red Bulls, and No-Carb Bragging
#Tim and Ray argue about whether vaping or cigarettes were healthier, riff on Ray's giant Red Bull addiction, and Ray brags about doing no-carb dieting before bringing in weight-loss trainer Justin Silver.
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- 0:24Tim mocks vaping as his new lifestyle, asking if this is what he does all day now.
- 0:55Tim questions the vaping habit and asks if it's permanent.
- 1:07Tim argues smoking cigarettes was healthier than the current vaping routine.
- 1:20Tim accuses the guest of coping with multiple addictions while drinking an enormous sugar-free Red Bull.
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- 4 min
Trainer Justin Silver lays out his philosophy on cutting dairy and carbs instead of going full ketosis, uses client Lewis's ham-and-cheese roll-up diet as an example, and debates Tim and Ray on egg whites, hash browns, and portion ratios.
9moments
- 2:00Tim's been doing no carb for a couple months and losing weight
- 2:45Tim drove two hours for a canceled gig while discussing fitness goals with Justin
- 3:14Eliminating dairy is more important than cutting carbs because it causes inflammation and contains pus
- 3:33Justin's three-step approach: eliminate dairy, cut carbs in half, and increase water intake
- 3:55Tim asks Justin if he considers them overweight; Justin confirms yes
- 4:08Tim questions whether ketosis is actually valuable, and Justin says going full ketosis is just swapping one extreme for another
- 4:21Ketosis causes you to lose macronutrients and isn't sustainable long-term
- 4:49Tracy Carnazzo lectured them about Whole 30 while remaining consistently fat despite the diet
- 5:11The 40-30-30 diet breaks down to 40 percent protein, 30 percent carbs, and 30 percent fat with portion sizes based on weight loss goals
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- 2 min
Tim's $322 Shellfish Tower Lunch Confession
#Tim details his absurd lunch of a shellfish tower, burger, tuna steak, fries with Gorgonzola, and sorbet, while Justin tries to reverse-engineer where he went wrong and Ray mocks his tuna-with-mayo preferences.
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- 5:30Tim describes his lunch: a shot and eggs at a deli.
- 5:58Tim argues that eating cholesterol doesn't actually give you high cholesterol, citing recent science.
- 6:14The goal of eating egg whites is to lose fat by eliminating extra fat intake.
- 6:46Lean protein should be paired with carbohydrates in equal gram amounts for proper nutrition.
- 7:07Two eggs with a banana as a side looks weird, even though athletes eat this way.
- 7:19Tim describes his strange airplane meals: oranges, nuts, and unusual protein sources like tofu jerky.
- 7:34He sometimes eats a tuna wrap with no mayo while traveling, which looks odd compared to normal food.
- 3 min
Piss Strips, Ketosis Bragging, and Lewis's Weight Loss Plan
#Ray describes peeing on ketone test strips in restaurant bathrooms, they debate his food journaling idea, and Justin recounts coaching Lewis through gradual diet changes including timing meals and roll-ups instead of sandwiches.
9moments
- 7:44Bodybuilders gain up to 40% body fat in the off-season, then cut down to 12%.
- 7:59Tim prefers tuna from his deli because it has so much mayonnaise it looks whipped like cool whip.
- 8:31Tim admits he's doing ketosis, which he claims isn't extreme despite the skepticism.
- 8:53Tim's weight loss plan for Lewis started with substituting ham and cheese roll-ups for sandwiches.
- 9:20The strategy involved small eliminations like limiting pizza to one day a week and creating structured meal times.
- 9:42Setting designated eating times forced Lewis to stop grazing all day and pay more attention to food choices.
- 10:06Tim advised eating bread-heavy meals like breakfast sandwiches early in the day when calories burn off, not at night.
- 10:23Lewis dropped 20-25 pounds in two and a half weeks after getting sick on ice cream.
- 10:36Giving up dairy caused the weight to drop off immediately after Lewis got sick on ice cream.
- 3 min
Confronting Justin: 'You've Never Been Fat'
#Tim and Ray gang up on Justin for never having really been fat, Tim tells his Domino's twisty bread binge-eating story and the tale of filing down a rotten tooth with a nail file on his friend's bread delivery route, leading into a discussion of emotional eating and food addiction as a vice like alcohol or sex.
9moments
- 10:50Tim recounts his drinking problem and how he was able to address it.
- 11:33Tim defends his lunch: a shellfish tower of lobster, shrimp, and crab cocktail—all protein.
- 11:49The restaurant inflated the platter with ice and overcharged him, which Tim compares to getting riced at sushi restaurants.
- 12:30Tim details the rest of lunch: a burger with bread and cheese, tuna steak, french fries with Gorgonzola sauce, and garlic mushrooms they didn't order.
- 12:54Justin asks where Tim went wrong at lunch; Tim claims he didn't realize what was happening.
- 13:15Tim insists he eats salads, but admits he likes them breaded and with heavy vinaigrette.
- 13:40Tim pushes back on people blaming salad dressing for his weight, arguing he's fat from eating wedding cakes alone, not vinaigrette.
- 13:58Justin points out the lunch was excessive; Tim concedes he doesn't eat that way every day but acknowledges he has to rein it in for his health.
- 14:10Tim proposes a contest with Justin to address his eating habits.
- 3 min
Fat Fuck as a Term of Endearment, and the Camden Cheesesteak Nightmare
#Ray defends calling people fat pigs as terms of love, tells the story of being called a fat fuck by a kid in a post-apocalyptic Camden, New Jersey while getting a cheesesteak at Donkey's, and they compare it to scary NYC neighborhoods from childhood.
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- 14:15Tim and Lewis discuss tracking food intake for four days to understand eating patterns and adjust ratios.
- 14:35Lewis accuses Tim of being in the same boat as him while eating extreme amounts, Tim denies it.
- 14:47Tim describes using ketosis strips in restaurants and pissing on them to check status mid-meal.
- 15:20Lewis resists the tracking plan because Raymond doesn't want the process happening in his house.
- 15:46Tim claims he ate only a quarter pound of prosciutto and almonds all day.
- 16:03Lewis describes Tim walking around with a deli platter, offering meat to people like candy.
- 16:19Tim insists Lewis has never actually been fat, only chubby as a kid.
- 16:33Lewis disputes Tim's claim, asking for evidence of his own childhood weight before conceding waist size in the 40s.
- 16:51Tim argues his frame makes even a 36-inch waist uncomfortable, so his current 30-inch proves he's done the work.
- 4 min
Cheese Steaks, Cooking, and Alan Finder's Shrimp-Stealing Townhouse
#They debate the best way to make a cheesesteak, whether Ray actually cooks, and tell a story about a broke comic friend from LA overwhelmed by a fancy restaurant, plus a bit about Alan Finder stealing shrimp at a nice townhouse.
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- 17:09Tim ordered Domino's back when it was bad, eating the chemical-soaked twisty bread and getting oil all over his face with it.
- 17:50He broke a tooth on a Taco Bell burrito and had to file down a jagged tooth using a side view mirror on a potato bread truck.
- 19:12Tim admits much of his identity is wrapped up in food and going to nice restaurants, which he acknowledges is a problem.
- 19:28He has OCD and vices, and therapy helps with the emotional component while mechanics determine what actually makes the scale move.
- 19:49Tim gained back 100 pounds he'd lost because he started hanging out with his guest and going to Taco Bell.
- 20:06The guest accuses Tim of being hostile, hyped up on Red Bull, and holding court asking why Ray is so fat.
- 20:31Guest reports losing an inch and a half in pants size, which Tim dismisses as removing a few deck chairs off the Titanic.
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Navy SEAL Fantasy and Justin's Fat-Kid Photos
#Ray insists he could be a Navy SEAL based on running five miles once, they mock his swimming merit badge, and pull up old photos of Justin as a kid to prove he was never actually that fat, texting them to their friend Bobby.
6moments
- 20:49Food addiction recovery requires balance, not extreme deprivation that leads to relapse.
- 21:41Tim recounts being called a fat fuck by a 12-year-old girl at a cheesesteak place in Camden, New Jersey.
- 22:13Big J drove him through Camden at night to show him the worst crime capital in the country.
- 22:31Camden's burnt-out buildings mixed with mildew create a distinctive post-apocalyptic smell.
- 22:59Tim grew up going to dangerous neighborhoods like the South Bronx for chicken.
- 23:21Camden, New Jersey is the scariest place Tim has ever been in his life.
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Fat Fetish Airplane Seatmates and Jewish Self-Hatred
#Tim riffs on the two types of women you sit next to on a plane when you're fat, Justin describes growing to hate fat people while losing weight himself as a reflection of self-hatred, and Tim connects it to his own Jewish self-loathing and complaining nature.
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- 23:43The key to a good cheesesteak is the onions cooked in a pan with salt, pepper, and spices.
- 24:13Why doesn't he cook for himself despite being a foodie—Tim draws the guitar analogy about why you don't need to own something just because you appreciate it.
- 24:36Tim and Alan Finner are getting a new kitchen, though Alan's already got a massive townhouse and is stealing shrimp from it.
- 25:01Tim brought people to a nice restaurant who had never had shellfish in their lives and didn't even know what a lobster was.
- 25:22Poor people in New York still had access to good food, but other people don't know anything about real dining.
- 26:00Could he be a Navy SEAL—the guest claims he used to run five miles a day four years ago.
- 26:22The guest has a swimming merit badge from Boy Scouts and is an Eagle Scout with letters from former presidents.
- 26:42Tim advises against extreme dietary changes, recommending gradually incorporating healthy habits one at a time instead of going all-in and failing.
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- 4 min
They discuss realistic weight loss goals versus extreme all-or-nothing thinking, then launch the call-in bit with the phone number 573-GASLINE, taking the first caller Kyle from New Jersey about testosterone and steroids.
10moments
- 26:58Tim's approach to weight loss: shock himself by stopping being a fat pig, then gradually shift to eating healthy naturally.
- 27:09Keto diet removes snack options at the deli, forcing him to eat less throughout the day despite seeming extreme.
- 27:35Water is the only reason Tim is alive; it flushes your system and keeps you hydrated.
- 27:51His technique when losing weight for sports: drink sixteen ounces of water, wait two minutes, then order food to eat less.
- 28:07Tim's mother would bring dessert right after dinner so she'd fill up and not want it—toxic food noise he inherited.
- 28:23Tim eats dessert first and prefers savory foods like gyro and pita with tzatziki over sweets.
- 28:35Anxiety is great for weight loss because your heart rate stays elevated and you're bouncing off the walls all day.
- 28:49As a younger person, Tim handled stress by freaking out and praying constantly to resist intrusive thoughts.
- 29:21In sixth grade, Tim stopped caring about intrusive thoughts, which led him to stop caring about everything and fail in school.
- 29:41Tim insists he was a gorgeous boy as a kid and shows photos from 2001-2002 when he was a lifeguard and thin.
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Justin fields more questions including whether cocaine or crystal meth could help with weight loss, warning about crashing and heart damage, while Carl from Vermont asks if Tim can relapse on cocaine to lose weight.
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- 31:10Tim criticizes posting food pictures on Instagram as destructive behavior.
- 31:25Caller Carl shows old photos from his dance class days when he was in better shape.
- 31:49Tim shifts to exploring what emotional void the caller is filling with food instead of drugs.
- 32:17Caller Carl agrees he should switch to another vice temporarily to break the eating pattern.
- 32:47Examining old photos, Tim notes the caller at 17 could have gone either way physically.
- 32:57Caller Carl had frosted tips in high school because he was popular and was runner-up for homecoming king.
- 33:16Tim argues everybody's a cute baby, then suggests getting the caller back to his childhood state.
- 4 min
Justin explains why bathroom scales are unreliable due to daily fluctuation, they mangle Jordan Peterson's name and carnivore diet story, and Ray tells a story about passing a tapeworm as a kid plus eating raw garlic cloves like apples.
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- 33:38Tim notes everyone in his friend group is fat, including Bobby, and suggests hanging around thinner people
- 33:52Two types of women on planes: those who fetishize fat men as father figures, and those disgusted by the overflow into their seat
- 34:29Running and losing weight made Tim grow to hate fat people—a projection of self-hatred he had to distance himself from
- 34:49Tim claims he has Jewish self-hatred despite lacking stereotypical Jewish traits, attributing it to being pushy, annoying, and complaining
- 35:06Complaining with the guest on a boat tour would have been endless—they're spoiled New Yorkers unimpressed by anything outside the city
- 35:38Distancing himself from annoying Jewish traits made those traits even more irritating to him, like the phrase 'happy Pesach'
- 35:56Discussing diet strategy: writing down what people eat, adding dairy for four days to assess impact on health
- 36:18Sushi with brown rice is a perfect meal, but Tim's problem is ordering eleven rolls at once
- 36:29Tim's physically active enough to run around constantly, biking everywhere and working out, so he can eat whatever he wants
- 36:44The guest walks like a lean guy with good posture and speed, not like fat guys who waddle
- 3 min
Tim tells his story of getting food poisoning and a concussion on two Ambien on a flight from Hong Kong, then a caller asks about intermittent fasting and they critique Joe Rogan's diet advice as just another fad wrapped in pseudoscience.
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- 37:23Tim argues that anaerobic metabolism, triggered by wind sprints, is what burns fat throughout the day.
- 38:01Keto and wind sprints are extreme measures, comparable to what boxers do to make weight.
- 38:16The extreme dieting approach is a reaction to self-hatred about being heavy, and Tim suggests incorporating healthier habits more gradually instead.
- 38:39Tim compares his all-or-nothing approach to an alcoholic who can't moderate—he can't just have a couple drinks or indulge occasionally.
- 39:09Tim questions whether Bobby wants to lose 50 pounds just to become a normal person again.
- 39:28Bobby says he needs to lose at least a hundred pounds, but Tim pushes back on the imprecision of his own goal-setting.
- 40:01They decide to open the phone lines for weight loss questions from callers.
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They joke about a hypothetical fight between Justin and Ray in a wrestling cage, then take a final round of calls about fiber, bulking up as a skinny guy, and using lard, before wrapping the segment.
8moments
- 40:29Tim gives out the call-in number for weight loss questions: 573-GAS-LINE.
- 40:39Tim offers to translate for Justin Silver because Justin doesn't speak the language of fat people.
- 41:22Tim references an SNL sketch where someone kept saying increasingly controversial things to get people to call in.
- 41:42Ray admits he decided in Philadelphia he doesn't want to be fat anymore and is unhappy with his current weight.
- 42:01Ray jokes that finding a hot guy leads to fucking around, but then eating food becomes more fun and the weight comes back.
- 42:18Tim argues against eliminating entire food groups because it's too extreme and people will just return to old habits.
- 42:37Ray points out that weight loss is different from alcoholism because you can't avoid eating food entirely.
- 43:38A caller asks Justin if steroids would help either of them lose weight.
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- 22 min
Low-Carb High-Fat Debate and Sign Off
#A caller asks about the low-carb high-fat diet craze, Justin says it's unsustainable, Ray describes his own stomach issues from eating too much prosciutto, and the show wraps with plugs for Tim Dillon Comedy, Justin Silver's Anxiety Attack show, and Ray's upcoming gigs.
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- 44:23Tim asks Kyle from New Jersey about his steroid use and whether he's obese.
- 45:30Justin recalls a Celebrity Rehab guest describing steroids as a 'bull tranquilizer pre-slaughter.'
- 46:32Tim argues that low-dose testosterone replacement therapy at age 35 is benign compared to serious anabolic steroids like Winstrol.
- 47:43Carl from Vermont asks whether Tim could relapse on cocaine to lose weight, and Justin explains the rebound eating problem.
- 48:32Justin compares cocaine's cost to the price of shrimp towers Tim eats, then suggests crystal meth as a cheaper alternative.
- 49:00Tim explains why crystal meth is a bad weight-loss idea: undiagnosed heart conditions mean you'll die thin instead of fat.
- 49:39Tim argues against using scales to track weight loss because of daily water and salt fluctuations.
- 50:36Tim mentions needing to follow Jordan Peterson's advice to clean his room because his life is chaos.
- 51:43Justin recalls shitting a worm as a child and explains how parasites aren't actually making Tim fat.
- 53:03Tim describes getting food poisoning on a flight from Hong Kong with Ambien and a concussion, hitting his head in the airplane bathroom.
- 54:16Justin Silver discusses intermittent fasting and why extreme diets are often just fad diets wearing a scientific label.
- 56:00Tim criticizes using Joe Rogan as a weight-loss guide because Rogan is a world-class athlete trying extreme things, not an overweight person.
- 57:20Tim notes his personal wealth of knowledge comes from repeatedly gaining, losing, and regaining weight.
- 59:35Justin explains that strong animals like gorillas and rhinos are vegetarians, so people don't need as much protein as they think.
- 1:00:17Justin recommends skinny guys looking to bulk up just eat lard as a quick calorie source.
- 1:02:24Caller Ben asks about the low-carb high-fat diet craze, and Justin explains it initially drops weight by eliminating foods but the body readjusts.
- 1:03:41Ray describes getting a bad stomach from pounding prosecco at work and having to shit, then eating garlic and Pepto to adjust.
- 1:04:15Justin Silver plugs his show Anxiety Attack at the New York Comedy Club East Village location on the 18th with Tim and Mike Vecchione.
- 1:05:02Ray announces he'll be at The Vine Bar this Thursday and performing at The Brokerage on October 26th and 27th.
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