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4chan Sleuths, Michael Ruppert's Death, and Chomsky on Internet Conspiracies

from Mandalay Ray · #65

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5 min

Tim jokes about becoming "controlled opposition" himself, riffs on the Franklin scandal and Pizzagate as sexy but unsubstantiated angles, recounts the strange death of conspiracy researcher Michael Ruppert, and cites a Chomsky Netflix doc criticizing shallow internet-era conspiracy culture built on tweets and clickbait.

In this bit10 moments
  • 16:27The elite supposedly need to manufacture events to outsmart people, but it's actually 4chan users and Reddit detectives who are the real American heroes.
  • 17:00Tim considers retiring from conspiracy discussion because the landscape has become so absurd he and his co-host joked about pivoting to covering Ariana Grande instead.
  • 17:11The show itself has become controlled opposition — they're now trapped in the same conspiracy ecosystem they're trying to analyze.
  • 18:04Michael Ruppert, who did the actual investigative work on conspiracies, was destroyed by it — he ended up wailing in the desert, eventually shooting himself in the head.
  • 19:01Steven Greer's Netflix alien documentary Unacknowledged exists in the same category of conspiracy content as everything else being discussed.
  • 19:22Ruppert was an ex-cop who exposed the CIA's involvement in the drug trade and wrote Across the Rubicon about 9/11.
  • 19:45Chomsky has spent 50 years talking about conspiracy and power structures, making him genuinely deep on the subject.
  • 20:07Chomsky argues that while Russian conspiracies might have something to them, the internet and Reddit phenomenon has made conspiracy theories into loose, sexy soundbites and tweets.
  • 20:30Online conspiracies need a clickable angle — Taylor Swift being a monarch cult, for example — because people need something sensational to engage with the material.
  • 20:48Tim has been reading this material for a long time and considers himself genuinely deep on conspiracy theory, unlike the casual internet consumers.
Mentioned here

Michael RupertFranklin scandalNoam ChomskyAcross the RubiconSteven GreerTaylor SwiftAriana GrandeRuss Baker

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