Episode 63 · The GaS Digital / Ray Kump Era
The Whole Thing Is Evil
Sep 24, 2017 · 1:29:29 · 21 segments, 165 moments indexed
- 1 min
Opening music and show announcement introducing Tim Dillon Going to Hell.
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- 0:05Cold open intro: "And now, Tim Dillon is going to hell with Tim Dillon, Ray."
- 2 min
Tim introduces the anniversary of the Who Took Johnny episode and the case of Johnny Gosch, then brings on author Nick Bryant to discuss his book The Franklin Scandal, seven years of research including sealed grand jury documents.
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- 0:35Tim recalls doing an episode a year ago on the Netflix documentary "Who Took Johnny" about a child kidnapped 35 years prior.
- 1:09The documentary argues the kidnapping wasn't random but the work of a child trafficking network connected to wealthy and powerful people.
- 1:30Tim discusses how a book can do what a movie cannot, laying out a case methodically.
- 1:41He holds up "The Franklin Scandal" by Nick Bryant, based on seven years of research and featuring never-before-published grand jury documents.
- 2:03That earlier episode captured people's imaginations more than any other and changed the entire course of the show.
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- 3 min
Bryant explains how his research into occultism led him to a US Customs report on a cult called The Finders, found with children, occult materials, and a telex reading 'keep the children moving,' with the investigation quashed by the CIA.
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- 2:22Tim notes that many people understand CIA involvement in child trafficking fits into the fabric of American corruption, even if they don't want to believe it.
- 2:39This isn't a conspiracy theory or a mystery—it's documented fact, especially once you read the book for context.
- 2:52People confuse legitimate evidence with online conspiracies like Pizzagate or claims about Taylor Swift and monarch programming.
- 3:17The documented material is factual—95% of what's available comes from official records and evidence, not fringe speculation.
- 3:31Nick Bryant's show covers financial crime and human trafficking as part of their mission to explore dark institutional topics.
- 4:03Bryant stumbled onto the Finders cult while researching an article on the occult after discovering a U.S. Customs report.
- 4:21The Finders were a cult trafficking children; they were busted by Tallahassee Police, U.S. Customs, and D.C. Metro after a warehouse search.
- 4:53A telex discovered in the search told people to keep the children moving and how to avoid law enforcement across multiple locations.
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Discussion of the CIA's MKUltra mind control experiments on children, the suspicious founding of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation by an admitted child molester, and claims about alters, beta and delta programming.
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- 5:16The CIA quashed the entire investigation into the cult abuse case.
- 5:40Child abusers were arrested on multiple counts, but all charges were dropped and the children were returned to the cult.
- 6:04Tim questions how the CIA, with no domestic jurisdiction, was able to shut down the investigation.
- 6:16The Franklin scandal becomes Tim's seven-year investigation into what the CIA was doing with people in a cult abusing children.
- 6:34The Telex machine discovery suggests the cult was networking to share children across the country and globe, not just operating locally.
- 7:00A discovered telex message showed the cult was purchasing children from China as well.
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Bryant discusses purported victims describing manipulation into the 1990s, whether MKUltra ever really stopped, programming victims for suicide, and the lack of any official document confirming the 'Monarch' program name.
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- 7:26Freedom of Information request reveals police report on the Finders that backs up the guest's claims.
- 7:44The report documents occult elements: children witnessing a goat slaughter and being presented with a goat's head.
- 8:09Tim notes pedophilia is widespread across institutions, but the Finders case seems to involve something additional beyond that.
- 8:47The guest had written extensively on lower socioeconomic children and thought he understood CIA operations, but the Finders conflation of all these elements was stunning.
- 9:16The occult angle was entirely new to the guest's research.
- 9:37Tim asks whether occult practices among people in power are more prevalent than the guest would have imagined before this research.
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Bryant lays out how Lawrence E. King, a rising Republican star, ran a child trafficking ring out of Omaha using private planes, how it surfaced through the foster care review board and Ulysse Washington's testimony, and how three grand juries covered it up after King's $40 million credit union embezzlement was uncovered.
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- 10:16The False Memory Syndrome Foundation, supposedly designed to debunk recovered memories of abuse, was actually founded by people with serious allegations against them.
- 11:19One founder of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation repeatedly molested his own daughter.
- 11:33Another founder publicly stated that pedophilia is God's will.
- 11:51People affiliated with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation conducted mind control experiments for the CIA.
- 12:20The CIA told the Church Commission they had no success implanting memories in their mind control experiments, yet the False Memory Syndrome Foundation claims therapists implant abuse memories in patients.
- 13:14An extreme abuse survey of over a thousand people claiming mind control and ritual abuse found common patterns: dissociation, multiple personality disorder, and programming for specific tasks like sexual or assassination programming.
- 14:16MKUltra documentation discusses creating dissociative states in children using drugs, electroshock, hypnosis, and psychological manipulation.
- 15:38MKUltra supposedly ended in the early 1970s, but purported victims claim they were manipulated into the 1990s.
- 16:16Most people with multiple personality disorder don't understand their condition until their 40s, though one Franklin scandal victim discovered it in his early 20s and speaks fluent German.
- 17:30No government document has ever been released containing the word Monarch, despite numerous purported victims claiming they're part of the Monarch program as a continuation of MKUltra.
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The story of private investigator Gary Caradori, who found child victims willing to talk and allegedly obtained blackmail photos from photographer Rusty Nelson before dying in a suspicious plane explosion with his son; Bryant recounts meeting Nelson himself and being pulled over by police.
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- 18:45Lawrence E. King ran a child sex ring out of Omaha, Nebraska, while rising through Republican party ranks and singing the national anthem at the 1984 RNC.
- 19:08King traveled the country on private planes with unnamed child passengers—flight manifests exist documenting this.
- 19:21The pedophile network was so large it took three grand juries to cover it up: two in Nebraska, one in Washington D.C.
- 19:38Tim acquired sealed documents and testimony from the Nebraska state grand jury, which was illegal to possess and publish, but he did it anyway.
- 20:07Investigation began when the Foster Kibber Review Board tracked abuse in a foster home where seven children were being exploited.
- 20:30One victim, Ulysse Washington, was flown by King to pedophilic orgies in Chicago and New York, then molested repeatedly by her foster father.
- 21:20Years later, the Foster Care Review Board received Ulysse's report and contacted both federal and state law enforcement, but they ignored the case.
- 21:46The foster care system appears designed as a hunting ground for predators—easy access to vulnerable children with minimal oversight.
- 22:05Safeguards and checks existed in this case, but power and corruption at high levels kept the abuse covered up repeatedly instead of stopping it quickly.
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Discussion of the young ages of victims (some as young as two or three), whether pedophilia is nature or nurture, the 'forbidden fruit' theory among powerful men, and rates of child sexual abuse in society.
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- 22:41State and federal law enforcement ignored the Foster Care Review Board's attempts to investigate abuse allegations.
- 23:09Lawrence King was running an interstate pedophile network alongside his $40 million embezzlement scheme.
- 23:36Nebraska senators with subpoena power believed they could break the case wide open.
- 24:08Private investigator Gary Carradori had an exemplary record and found additional child victims willing to testify.
- 24:39Victims were threatened: if you talk, we will kill you and your family.
- 25:14The operation functioned as both pandering and blackmail—compromising people in power with children to control them forever.
- 25:35Carradori obtained photographs of pedophilic orgies from blackmail photographer Rusty Nelson in Chicago.
- 25:48Carradori's plane mysteriously broke up over Lake County, Illinois on the flight back to Nebraska; the photographs were never recovered.
- 26:13Tim received a death threat early in his investigation of the Franklin scandal.
- 26:39Tim met with the same photographer—Rusty Nelson—that Carradori had contacted before his death.
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Bryant describes Craig Spence's Washington DC house wired for blackmail, cocktail parties that escalated into compromising situations, the assassination-like silencing effect of Caradori's death, and the horrifying story of Alicia Owen, who was jailed and put in solitary confinement for refusing to recant her abuse allegations.
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- 26:53Once you're compromised, it's like being on a beautiful yacht where anything you want is provided, but if you try to get off, they'll make sure you drown.
- 27:22Tim discusses Rusty Nelson's credibility issues, acknowledging he's a child pornographer and therefore sociopathic.
- 28:07Guest spent a night with Rusty Nelson's parents while investigating the case.
- 28:40Lawrence E. King had top security clearance in the Air Force and was stationed in Thailand, where he may have been turned.
- 29:19Guest wanted photographs of abuse sessions to make the story impossible for New York media to ignore.
- 29:37Police pulled over the rental car while driving at 70 in a 65, immediately removed both occupants, and completely tore apart the vehicle.
- 30:24Tim asks about the age of children being abused, clarifying this isn't teenagers but very young kids.
- 30:41The youngest victims guest encountered were as young as nine or ten, though Finders cases involved children as young as two or three.
- 31:14Tim explores whether pedophilia has a biological component explaining attraction to pre-pubescent children versus older victims.
- 32:35A Washington D.C. psychologist told guest that powerful perpetrators often pursue forbidden fruit despite access to expensive adult sex workers.
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Deeper dive into how CIA-funded mind control operated, including psychiatrist Ewen Cameron's sadistic three-stage memory-erasure experiments funded by the CIA, which led to a class-action lawsuit and payouts.
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- 33:41Tim questions whether some targets of blackmail schemes were ensnared unwillingly rather than willingly molesting children.
- 34:06Lawrence E. King trafficked children from Omaha with a Washington partner named Craig Spence who ran a house wired for audio-visual blackmail.
- 34:47Craig Spence's operation worked by starting as a normal cocktail party, then introducing drugs and sexual activity to compromise attendees who stayed.
- 35:28Investigator Gary Carradori's plane blew up after pursuing the case, demonstrating a willingness to kill that silenced further investigation.
- 35:51State and federal grand juries said there was no child abuse despite evidence, and the two child victims who refused to recant were indicted for perjury.
- 36:46Alicia Owen, a survivor who refused to recant her abuse testimony, was found guilty of perjury in what Tim calls a kangaroo court.
- 37:17Alicia Owen spent nearly two years in solitary confinement after testifying about her abuse.
- 38:00Alicia Owen was conscripted into abuse around age fourteen and does not have dissociative identity disorder unlike earlier victims discussed.
- 38:57When the CIA was conducting mind control experiments on record, major universities participated regardless of how sadistic the experiments were.
- 39:30Dr. Ewen Cameron, head of both the American and World Psychiatric Associations, conducted extreme mind control experiments funded by the CIA using drugs and electroshock.
- 39:51Cameron's technique involved three states: knowing identity and location, not knowing either but feeling anxiety, and not knowing either while feeling no anxiety—essentially erasing memory completely.
- 40:18The CIA directly paid and underwritten Dr. Cameron's mind control experiments despite their sadistic nature.
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Discussion of occult practices allegedly reaching into the US military, the Church of Satan's inclusion in Army chaplain handbooks, and the Presidio child abuse case involving Colonel Michael Aquino and children with chlamydia.
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- 41:09A Canadian parliamentarian's wife sued the CIA after being picked up without consent during a psychiatric treatment visit.
- 41:49Tim asks whether the shocking part of abuse systems is the pedophilia itself or the bureaucratic implementation by agency personnel.
- 42:23Some cult segments view the defilement of innocence as their highest sacrament, making them ideal for CIA programs requiring child abuse.
- 42:56The Church of Satan and Temple of Set were listed as valid religions in the Army chaplain's handbook.
- 43:30A major scandal at the Presidio military base in San Francisco involved abuse of very young children, some with venereal diseases.
- 44:05Colonel Michael Aquino, an admitted Satanist, was identified by a child victim whose house and bathroom matched descriptions in a police search warrant.
- 44:42Tim traces Satanism in American history back to the Enlightenment, when anti-Christian symbols represented freedom from church authority.
- 45:22Occultists Tim has interviewed vary between those drawn to aesthetics and those who acknowledge a very dark side where sinister practices occur.
- 45:54Fraternities and elite societies are commonly excused as theatrical hazing rather than actual occult practice, but some Franklin scandal victims reported genuine occult abuse.
- 46:28The guest thinks elite groups' constant occult imagery represents both theatrical tradition and something genuinely darker and more sinister.
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Bryant distinguishes between exoteric occult aesthetics (art, Bohemian Grove's cremation of care ritual) and a darker esoteric side, and how occult imagery used during abuse serves to discredit victims' later testimony.
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- 46:39Occult imagery has an exoteric side, like art, and an esoteric side involving darker ritual practices.
- 47:20Using occult imagery during child abuse makes victims' stories harder to believe and discredits them when they come forward.
- 47:50The Franklin scandal, the Finders, and Jeffrey Epstein cases show that extreme crimes are real despite being dismissed as unbelievable.
- 48:22A percentage of wealthy elites have predatory inclinations, and unlike poor offenders, they're serviced by networks rather than acting alone.
- 48:52Tim jokes the book should be called "Rich Pedophile Poor Pedophile" as a follow-up to Rich Dad Poor Dad.
- 49:03NSA-affiliated people caught downloading child pornography rarely went to prison, unlike regular offenders.
- 49:37The dark web enables unrestricted trading in child exploitation material and makes trafficking networks operate more seamlessly.
- 50:14Internet pornography is far more accessible than before, and so is child exploitation material including alleged snuff films.
- 50:29The DC madam's accounts describe a pimp being asked by Larry King to procure children who could disappear for wealthy clients to harm.
- 50:59The UK pedophile network reached up to Prime Minister Ted Heath, demonstrating institutional complicity.
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Bryant explains how his agent dropped him for 'problems constructing a proper narrative,' how every major magazine and network passed on the story, and how Oprah's and Nancy Grace's producers ignored the material despite the UK's Ted Heath pedophile network parallel.
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- 51:16Evidence suggests powerful figures were provided with children and covered it up, with UK investigators claiming some were killing kids.
- 52:12Tim notes how shocking it is that such crimes have been covered up despite the levers of power involved.
- 52:29The media is spineless—no major magazine in New York would touch his article about the story.
- 53:12His agent dropped representation, claiming he had problems constructing a proper narrative.
- 53:48A documentary series option through Magnolia Pictures got pitched to every network and was shut down by all of them.
- 54:29Tim gave the Franklin Scandal to three of Oprah's producers and one of Nancy Grace's producers—they never responded or said they wouldn't do anything with it.
- 54:57Supposedly child advocates are unwilling to touch a sensational but horrible story about scores of molested children.
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Discussion of child welfare advocate Nancy Schaefer's suspicious murder-suicide, historical political blackmail by J. Edgar Hoover and James Angleton, and the claim that Hoover blackmailed JFK into putting LBJ on the ticket.
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- 55:48Tim was pitched a Nancy Schaefer story in Hollywood five years ago; a studio VP who wanted to develop it started receiving ominous phone calls.
- 56:14Nancy Schaefer exposed dangers in the foster care and Child Protective Services systems; she and her husband died in what was ruled a murder-suicide.
- 56:56Tim received significant pressure after pursuing this work and decided he would proceed as if willing to die for the story.
- 57:27The Schaefer story potentially unravels massive blackmail, corruption, and crimes involving sociopaths in power.
- 57:46Political blackmail has been a tool of American intelligence and law enforcement for decades—J. Edgar Hoover and CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton both practiced it.
- 58:22According to JFK's secretary Evelyn Lincoln, Hoover blackmailed Kennedy into accepting Lyndon Johnson as his running mate, altering the course of history.
- 58:54Dennis Hastert was a pedophile for years before becoming Speaker of the House, constitutionally the third most powerful man in the country, and the FBI probably knew about it.
- 59:21According to FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, the FBI and Turkish authorities knew about Hastert's crimes while he held the speakership.
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Bryant discusses Dennis Hastert's pedophilia and his ties to lobbyist Tony Podesta, his skepticism toward the Pizzagate narrative's inaccuracies, and how media conglomerate consolidation creates a symbiosis with government that discourages reporting.
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- 59:42Tim was skeptical of Pizzagate because the story regurgitated incorrect talking points.
- 1:00:24Tim spent time investigating but couldn't corroborate the allegations he wanted to verify.
- 1:01:07His book argues that the FBI and Department of Justice cover up child trafficking and enable an endemic blackmail system in politics.
- 1:01:37Tim finds it difficult to have normal political conversations because most people don't know what he knows.
- 1:02:18The mainstream media can't touch these subjects because people in media are heavily compromised.
- 1:02:38Five titanic media conglomerates control all information today, and the government could break them up with antitrust legislation instantly.
- 1:02:51These conglomerates aren't particularly profitable, so ownership must be about shaping the narrative.
- 1:03:34Two federal law enforcement officers provided information for his Franklin scandal book after he spent two years cultivating their trust.
- 1:04:34William Colby, the former CIA director, died very suspiciously, and Tim explores whether he was a good actor who discovered this stuff and tried to stop it.
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Discussion of whistleblowers, John DeCamp's mentor William Colby (former CIA director) allegedly planning to expose the child abuse network before his mysterious death, and James Angleton's chilling 'we'll surely end up in hell' quote about CIA founders.
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- 1:05:18William Colby testified about CIA assassination and mind control programs at the Church hearings, then was immediately fired by Gerald Ford and replaced by George H.W. Bush.
- 1:05:45The Senate hired Colby to investigate who killed Gary Caradori, and he privately told people Caradori had been murdered.
- 1:06:15According to John DeCamp, Colby had made peace with his CIA work except for child abuse, which he couldn't emotionally accept.
- 1:06:53Colby died under mysterious circumstances—either suicide or murder—shortly after indicating he would act on information about child abuse.
- 1:07:31Spy chief James Angleton said when the CIA was formed, he was sitting in a room with people he knew would end up in hell, and he'd join them there shortly.
- 1:08:04The Cold War context—Stalin alive with atomic and hydrogen bombs—meant intelligence officials believed the ends justified the means.
- 1:08:25Operation Paperclip brought Nazi scientists out of Germany as part of the CIA's broader portfolio of activities.
- 1:08:46Once you lose your moral barometer and believe the ends justify the means, you can rationalize anything.
- 1:09:00Bill Casey didn't seem troubled by his conscience the way William Colby was.
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Bryant admits following the trafficking money is nearly impossible, and when asked what regular people can do, calls the corruption a societal 'disease' requiring public awareness, urging people to read the book to build critical mass.
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- 1:09:09CIA origins in investment banking and potential ongoing connections to wealthy financial institutions.
- 1:09:37Human trafficking estimated as a multi-billion dollar industry with dark money flowing through government projects.
- 1:09:55Following the money in trafficking cases is nearly impossible, though sealed grand jury documents from the Franklin scandal provided some traceability.
- 1:10:47Multiple investigators and journalists who've researched this subject have died, creating incentive to write about something else instead.
- 1:11:16Addressing systemic corruption requires diagnosis and awareness before action can be taken against the disease.
- 1:11:46Most Americans lack awareness of information in detailed books about these crimes because mainstream media refuses to help publicize them.
- 1:12:34Critical mass of public awareness is the threshold needed before real change and action become possible.
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Bryant explains the 1967 CIA memo that popularized the term 'conspiracy theorist' to discredit Warren Commission skeptics, Operation Mockingbird's media infiltration, and skepticism about internet claims like Taylor Swift 'beta' Illuminati imagery.
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- 1:13:07CIA issued a 1967 memo to position JFK assassination researchers as 'conspiracy theorists' after the Warren Commission lost public credibility.
- 1:13:50The term 'conspiracy theory' rose exponentially in mainstream media after the CIA weaponized it.
- 1:14:09Operation Mockingbird was the CIA's plan to infiltrate and control the media.
- 1:14:36Carl Bernstein's 1977 Rolling Stone article documented CIA infiltration of mainstream media outlets.
- 1:14:56Conspiracy theories online claim Taylor Swift videos contain references to trauma-based mind control programming.
- 1:15:37Websites identify supposedly satanic imagery hidden in Disney and Hollywood films.
- 1:16:07The Franklin scandal demonstrates how strange government crimes actually are.
- 1:16:42After 12 years investigating government malfeasance, nothing about powerful people would surprise him anymore.
- 1:16:58When evaluating conspiracy claims, one must be cautious about sources but recognize that sometimes where there's smoke, there's fire.
- 1:17:08Internet conspiracy theories can be specious, requiring critical assessment of their sourcing and plausibility.
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Bryant lays out the layers of US Attorneys, judges, and FBI agents allegedly involved in the cover-up, speculates about how high responsibility could go, and describes the devastating long-term outcomes for trafficking victims who end up addicted, imprisoned, or dead.
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- 1:17:28Tim asks if someone from mainstream media would debate the Franklin scandal on air.
- 1:18:28Guest is working on a documentary and trying to get the Franklin scandal made into a docuseries.
- 1:19:11Tim notes the media's spinelessness especially regarding child molestation coverups.
- 1:19:48Tim asks how high up the government involvement in child trafficking went—vice presidents, presidents, or CIA directors.
- 1:20:35Guest explains the Franklin case involved two US attorneys, judges, magistrates, FBI agents, and Secret Service agents covering it up across multiple states.
- 1:22:29Tim asks how many victims have contacted the guest personally.
- 1:22:59Guest describes the heartbreaking reality: trafficked kids from dysfunctional backgrounds, foster care, and institutions are drugged, exploited for money, then discarded without skills.
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Bryant theorizes King was institutionalized and given a no-show job to keep him quiet, contrasts him with the erratic Craig Spence who died mysteriously, and discusses possibly contacting Michael Aquino directly.
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- 1:23:57One trafficking victim of Lawrence King went on to be arrested for child pornography; the guest has gotten to know him and describes his early abuse in foster care.
- 1:24:41Tim asks why Lawrence King is still alive if he knows so much, given that people in similar positions have died mysteriously.
- 1:25:12The guest theorizes that King was given a deal: do time, keep quiet, and intelligence agencies will take care of you—he now has a no-show job at a car dealership.
- 1:26:19Craig Spence, King's partner in the operation, died under mysterious circumstances; the guest attributes this to Spence's cocaine addiction and loose-cannon nature making him a liability, unlike King who stayed silent.
- 1:26:53Tim asks if the guest plans to contact Michael Aquino, noting he is accessible and writes frequently.
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Tim closes by repeatedly urging listeners to buy and read The Franklin Scandal at FranklinScandal.com, calling it essential true-crime journalism, and thanks Nick Bryant for coming on before signing off.
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- 1:27:15Buy the Franklin Scandal book at FranklinScandal.com
- 1:27:27Tim is interviewed in the Netflix documentary Hoots and Challenge
- 1:27:40There's nowhere else to get this information—not online, not in chat rooms or message boards
- 1:28:08Give the book to someone you argue with politically, someone skeptical who dismisses it
- 1:28:23This is real journalism and research, not just a website—it reads like a novel
- 1:28:47Nick reflects that once there was a way to get back home, but he's been down this road too far now
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