Episode 59 · The GaS Digital / Ray Kump Era
Nazi Crush
Aug 27, 2017 · 1:18:08 · 15 segments, 128 moments indexed
- 1 min
Cold Open: Camel Snus and Vanilla Skull
#Show opens with music/network bumper, then Tim and Ray riff on Ray's snus tin, discussing flavors including the discontinued "vanilla skull" snus.
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- 0:14Tim's opening premise: society decides to hate billionaires, dictators, and CEOs, but he's going to take a critical look at them.
- 0:24He argues there's value in the existence of bad people and evil in the world.
- 0:38Tim pulls out an empty tin of camel snus from his pocket and the two examine what flavor it is.
- 6 min
Cigarette History: Marlboro Reds, Reservation Smokes, and Newport Pleasure
#Tim and Ray trade extensive personal histories with cigarettes, from stealing Marlboro Reds as kids and puking, to buying discount reservation cigarettes, basics, and Newports, plus a riff on old Newport Pleasure ads showing white people on boats.
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- 1:08Tim explains the FDA outlawed vanilla skull cigarettes because they worried about marketing to kids.
- 1:36Newport cigarette ads showed white people playing volleyball on boats, nothing like the actual demographic.
- 2:27Tim's cigarette history started with stealing Marlboro Reds from his friend's mother in sixth grade.
- 3:28People used to get cartons from the reservation, sometimes stopping by the casino.
- 3:46Reservation cigarettes like Warriors cost around fifteen to twenty-five dollars a carton if you haggled respectfully.
- 4:45The Warriors brand cigarettes were terrible quality, like someone threw tobacco leaves on top of sodas.
- 5:20In sixth grade going into seventh grade, Tim and his friend stole Marlboro Reds and later started stealing Basics from his friend's dad.
- 5:45Tim and his friend switched to Newports because they believed the rumor that they got you higher.
- 6:12After quitting for a while, Tim went on a Marlboro Menthol Light kick.
- 6:35Tim cycled through Marlboro Menthol Lights, regular Marlboro Lights, and Parliaments before settling on occasional Marlboro Reds.
- 2 min
Oral Fixation, Smoking Cool Guys, and Fat Metabolism Gripes
#They discuss addiction to cigarettes as an oral fixation, the fantasy of looking cool while smoking, and Tim complains about people being praised for good metabolism while others get fat.
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- 6:48Tim is cutting down on cigarettes, which he admits have more addictive power than many other things he's tried.
- 7:17Seeing an attractive person smoking makes you think that's what coolness looks like, then you realize you're not that guy.
- 7:46Good-looking people who eat like shit just happen to have great metabolism, but Tim is sick of rewarding them for it.
- 8:10He rejects the excuse that you get fat from a bad thyroid—you get fat from eating badly and not moving.
- 8:28Tim says there was a real hottie at the Unite the Right rally, and while he's against white supremacy, he can acknowledge she was good-looking.
- 8:51The guy at the rally seemed a little bit of a poof, which is what they call gay people.
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- 8 min
The Unite the Right Hottie and Alt-Right Ideology Breakdown
#Tim and Ray discuss finding a good-looking young white nationalist attractive at the Charlottesville rally, then dig into the ideology of alt-right figures like Richard Spencer and Christopher Cantwell, including their weird racial hierarchy beliefs and how the movement recruits.
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- 9:14Richard Spencer and modern alt-right leaders have a foppish, feminine quality compared to historical white supremacists.
- 9:58Tim notes the contradiction of calling themselves a master race while claiming genetic superiority based on nothing.
- 10:22Alt-right ideologues believe whites are superior to blacks and Hispanics but inferior to Jews and Asians, which is why they oppose immigration.
- 11:06You can't whine about globalism and factory job losses while claiming to be the master race.
- 11:59The guys with platforms and podcasts—Richard Spencer, et al.—aren't the tough guys; they're the intellectual front for the movement.
- 12:28Unite the Right organizers deliberately dressed in khakis and middle-class attire to rebrand poor white resentment.
- 13:18Richard Spencer is well-dressed without skinhead tattoos, yet the idea that feds have no infiltration in a movement like this seems unlikely.
- 14:15People who attend Unite the Right rallies get doxxed—their employers are called and pressured to fire them.
- 15:29A 20-year-old University of Nevada student holding a torch in Unite the Right photos became the face of the rally.
- 16:11The Unite the Right attendees have a specific look: Hitler youth haircuts and a sweaty, angry appearance that Tim finds insufficiently attractive for the ideology.
- 16:38Even if someone's politically extreme, they need to meet a basic attractiveness threshold to be worth any attention at all.
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- 5 min
Doxxing the Torch-Carrying Nazi College Kid
#Tim riffs on a doxxed 20-year-old alt-right kid from the Unite the Right rally, joking about wanting to seduce and "love the Nazi out of him," while discussing how doxxing works and businesses reacting to employees being outed as Nazis.
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- 16:41Tim opens with an aggressive sexual hypothetical directed at the torch-carrying college kid.
- 16:59Tim threatens that Antifa would pummel him with clubs for a week if the torch-carrier was told he had to sleep with him.
- 17:18Tim describes the torch-carrier kid's interview, where he keeps looking up at announcements during it.
- 17:42The kid has an effeminate delivery while promoting white nationalism and complaining about globalism.
- 18:26Tim jokes that he's mad they only show the kid's face, worried someone will identify and attack him during college.
- 19:07The torch-carrier has a needy, submissive quality—seeking a "big daddy" authority figure like the old right.
- 19:37Tim performs a parody of a reluctant recruit seduced by ideology: "I'm not racist at all. Take your cock out."
- 19:52Tim discusses an earlier neo-Nazi recruiter named Bill Reese who used seduction tactics on young men in the woods.
- 20:40The right move in an interview like this is to claim ignorance—say you didn't know what was happening and distance yourself.
- 20:56A kid in this situation should claim he thought he was just there to promote the Republican Party or patriotism.
- 21:11The kid almost does that distancing at first, saying he was shocked by how racist the people were, then abandons it.
- 21:29He starts to distance himself from the group, but then pivots and doubles down on the talking points.
- 11 min
Playing the Peter Sventenik Interview Clip
#They play and react line-by-line to an interview clip of alt-right figure Peter Sventenik (Cvjetanovic) explaining how he ended up at the torch rally, with Tim mocking his effeminate mannerisms and turning it into an extended fantasy about seducing him.
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- 22:22Tim messages the alt-right figure asking for a picture of his feet instead of joining the death threats on Facebook.
- 23:09Peter Sventenik expected the event to be lighthearted, like an improv in the park or Civil War reenactment, and didn't know about the torch rally.
- 23:24Tim lists the actual organizers—Richard Spencer, Christopher Cantwell, Jason Kessler—and notes they openly discuss Nazism and the Jewish question.
- 25:03Sventenik compares getting swept up in "Jews will not replace us" chanting to being pulled into dancing at a wedding with a good MC and catchy slogans.
- 26:17Tim offers to organize an alternative event with the same torches, khakis, and park setting but with less hatred and racism.
- 27:15Tim argues the kid is confused and needs a father figure or big brother, not someone to hate, then escalates into absurd sexual scenarios.
- 28:40Sventenik's attraction to extremism stems from suppressed homosexuality and an inability to admit he's gay, so he overcompensates by becoming a Nazi.
- 29:50Tim instructs viewers on how to walk back extremist ideology when questioned—claim to be a fiscal conservative rather than explain the actual beliefs.
- 30:55Sventenik proposes working with Black nationalists and Hoteps to preserve separate cultures, sounding like he's running for office in a Montana town with diverse demographics.
- 32:11Tim expresses conflicted feelings about Sventenik—acknowledging he can vote and go to war while suggesting Antifa should sponsor trying to seduce him toward tolerance.
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- 4 min
Casino Trips to Mohegan Sun and Vegas Buffets
#Conversation shifts to gambling and casino culture, hooker propositions at Trump's Taj Mahal (with a role-play bit), and a long riff on terrible casino buffets and why no restaurant should serve every cuisine at once.
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- 34:17Tim wonders if a Nazi he's trying to rehabilitate through love might have a fat fetish.
- 34:31A good-looking 21-year-old from NYU who hooked up with Tim needed his fat and started screaming.
- 34:54Tim's joke: a lot of the guys he fucks used to be molested, so maybe his body type should be introduced to kids early in life.
- 35:20Americans can operate in systems they find repugnant while knowing they're complicit in bad shit happening.
- 35:39Tim was at Mohegan Sun and brings up his only casino experience at Trump's Taj Mahal in Atlantic City.
- 35:53A hooker in Atlantic City propositioned him because she could tell he wasn't bringing his own date.
- 36:17Tim asks the hooker to roleplay the actual proposition so he can understand how it went.
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- 9 min
Vegas Vibes and Ray's Mom's Friend Dennis the Vietnam Vet
#They compare Vegas's nightclub-driven evolution to Disneyland, then Tim tells the story of Ray's mother's tough Vietnam-vet friend Dennis who threatened to shoot his roommate's son and later died fishing at Montauk.
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- 37:18Casinos are like tombs with no windows and oxygen pumped in to make you lose track of time.
- 38:03Tim explains why casino buffets are intoxicating even though the food is barely edible.
- 38:58King crab legs at buffets are a trap—they're designed to take three hours to eat.
- 40:06Why would anyone go to Vegas unless they're crippled, old, a degenerate gambler, or alone?
- 40:56Vegas has transformed into half Disneyland and half nightclub complex rather than a pure gambling destination.
- 41:56Tim's Vegas trips involved eating well, playing cards, and drinking without going crazy on blow and pills.
- 42:24His breakfast routine in Vegas: six Purgesics, Beefy Eater gin, eggs Benedict, and martinis.
- 43:15Tim's mom and her friend Dennis, a Vietnam vet, used to go to Mohegan Sun.
- 43:39Dennis once threatened to shoot a guy's kneecaps off if he robbed him after getting out of prison.
- 44:20After his divorce, Dennis chose to live in a van by the Long Beach boardwalk rather than pay alimony.
- 45:08Dennis looked terrible and lived hard, part of a generation of Long Island people who drank and smoked heavily.
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- 7 min
The Sex Addict Fan, Touring Alone, and Ranking Faces
#Tim discusses the loneliness of touring and being driven around by an obsessive fan/sex addict, then pivots into a bit ranking faces by class, comparing JFK's face favorably to Garbage Pail Kids and dismissing the Nazi kid's "lower middle class face."
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- 45:37Comedians realize their early supporters are gone by the time they get good—they've died, moved, or had kids.
- 45:58Tim brought a sex addict fan to Mohegan Sun, who stayed in a separate hotel room and left for family obligations.
- 47:02Touring alone is necessary; bringing someone along forces you to share your headspace when you need to be in your own head.
- 47:50The fan won't stop talking about comedy and won't shut up, so Tim tells him to get a life.
- 48:43Tim dislikes lower middle-class faces and prefers symmetrical, debutant features.
- 49:43JFK didn't have a lower middle-class face despite odd features—he had good breeding and good genes.
- 50:22Garbage Pail Kids represent lower middle-class faces that don't inspire Tim, even if someone has money or muscle.
- 51:01The Nazi kid is twenty years old with a ruined future—no law school will take him, he'll work gas station jobs, and he should change his name.
- 51:29People can legally change their names in America and disappear; after a few years nobody remembers the crime.
- 51:47Colin Ferguson, who shot up a railroad train, apparently works at Home Depot now and should be on the show.
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- 4 min
Colin Ferguson, Rebranding a Nazi, and Payment Platforms Cutting Off the Alt-Right
#Tim jokes about infamous criminals rebuilding their lives and changing their names, then discusses with Ray (Klemm) how PayPal, Squarespace, and other companies are cutting off alt-right figures from payment processing and hosting, and the free speech implications.
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- 52:31Payment platforms like PayPal and Squarespace are removing alt-right figures, refusing to process donations and host their websites.
- 52:54Tim asks whether private companies should be allowed to cut off service to these groups, citing both free speech concerns and precedent of banks enforcing moral standards.
- 53:40The question of who decides who qualifies as a Nazi or dangerous enough to deplatform is central to the free speech argument.
- 54:22Republican establishment figures at least know how to operate within polite society and veil their views, unlike the alt-right which explicitly rejects mainstream rules.
- 55:08Tim suspects the alt-right fundraising numbers are tiny because they're a marginal group with very little actual support or money flowing in.
- 55:22Andrew Anglin runs the Daily Stormer, the largest alt-right website, though his background and current location are unclear and mysterious.
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- 8 min
Andrew Anglin's Daily Stormer Speech and Are These Guys "Pussies"
#They play a clip of Daily Stormer's Andrew Anglin giving a rambling speech in England, mock his weak stage presence, and debate whether alt-right figures are dangerous ideologues or just cowardly "clowns" compared to groups like ISIS who actually act on their beliefs.
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- 56:02Andrew Anglin's appearance and the Daily Stormer website are introduced.
- 56:51Anglin opens his speech in London with a joke about the city being nearly half white.
- 57:25Tim critiques the tag structure of Anglin's jokes, noting the punchline should be harder.
- 58:42Tim interrupts the speech, noting these extremists don't speak as effectively as Hitler did.
- 1:00:08Tim points out the recurring pattern: many of these ideologues claim they explored different ideologies before landing on extremism.
- 1:01:09Tim questions whether Anglin is actually the most extreme person on the planet, given his lack of real infrastructure or ability to act.
- 1:01:56Tim and guest agree that people like Anglin seem cartoonish and, fundamentally, like pussies.
- 1:02:43Tim clarifies they're not minimizing white racism or denying the danger these people pose.
- 1:03:27Tim contrasts ISIS, which actually executes its stated goals, with these extremists who only talk.
- 1:04:04Tim acknowledges that while white supremacy is built into the country's structure, these groups lack the organized intellectual hierarchy and infrastructure the Nazi party had.
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- 2 min
Brief news-style riff on Trump reversing his campaign promise to leave Afghanistan, with Tim arguing no president can stand up to the military industrial complex and the war was always doomed to fail eventually.
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- 1:04:28Trump ran on leaving Afghanistan and didn't rationalize or hedge his position like other presidents do.
- 1:04:43Presidents are basically figureheads who give press conferences and pardon turkeys while the military-industrial complex makes major decisions.
- 1:04:59When shown the consequences of pulling out, Trump apparently couldn't say no to military pressure about ISIS and Taliban filling the vacuum.
- 1:05:18Trump is a liar, but claiming this pullout wasn't a complete cynical money grab is insane.
- 1:05:32Every Middle Eastern conflict uses the same argument: if we leave, it'll collapse—but it's going to collapse anyway whether we stay three years or twenty.
- 1:05:50Afghanistan has no foundation for democracy because it's been a war-torn feudal state forever, and the terrain prevents it from becoming a viable capitalist nation.
- 1:06:18The pullout isn't really a win, but it's still crazy that we stayed this long.
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- 6 min
The Elaborate Date-and-Sex Fantasy With the Nazi Kid
#Tim has Ray replay the interview clip and improvises an extremely detailed, escalating fantasy first date and sexual encounter with the alt-right kid, including a shellfish tower, Game of Thrones, ass-eating, and a post-coital NAACP confession bit.
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- 1:06:48Tim asks the Nazi kid on video whether he identifies as a white supremacist.
- 1:07:11Tim compliments the kid's shiny hair and pimples, claiming he wants to eat them and bite his nose.
- 1:07:44Tim describes an elaborate first date: picking the kid up in an Uber and taking him to a steakhouse in Reno.
- 1:08:08At dinner, Tim seductively eats shrimp and face-fucks his mouth with it while the kid talks about white identity.
- 1:08:36Tim suggests rebranding the Nazi kid as his boyfriend to help his image.
- 1:08:53After dinner, they go to a motel suite with flowers on the bed and watch Game of Thrones naked together.
- 1:09:19Tim describes jerking off and sucking the kid's dick while watching Game of Thrones, then biting his ear and nose.
- 1:09:55Tim explains eating the kid's ass very aggressively, biting and trying to put his head inside it.
- 1:10:38After sex, Tim imagines having a continental breakfast and the kid apologizing for being a Nazi.
- 1:11:27Tim says he'd call a meeting with the NAACP to vouch for the kid, then admits they'd go their separate ways because it'd be bad for his career.
- 1:11:56Tim considers a scenario where the kid flips during sex and aggressively eats his ass in return, but still wouldn't date him.
- 1:12:19Tim offers to let the kid fist him, telling someone to message Peter Sventenik with the offer.
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- 3 min
Tim runs down his upcoming tour dates including Wilmington, DC Improv, Cleveland, the double-decker bus tour, and LA, while Ray plugs his Vice Sports show "That Happened" and their joint Frantic show at The Stand.
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- 1:12:51Tim announces tour dates: Dead Crawl Comedy Club in Wilmington, NC (September 15-16), DC Improv lounge, and Hilarities in Cleveland (October).
- 1:13:08Tour on a double-decker bus during New York Comedy Festival in November with only 60 seats on top; early subscribers get 24-hour early access to ticket sales.
- 1:13:55LA tour dates coming after New York Comedy Festival.
- 1:14:06Ray Klump has a new show on Vice Sports called "That Happened" covering absurd moments in sports history, including wife-swapping Yankees pitchers and the "Wisenator" episode.
- 1:14:38The show is available on Go90 and Vice Sports Facebook.
- 1:15:01Ray will appear at The Stand on Monday, August 28th with Tim in a free event called "The Owner of Hell."
- 1:15:19Both will do sets at the August 28th show; reservations required by calling The Stand.
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- 3 min
Tim reads listener mail including small gift cards from a fan named Brian, and reacts to a letter proposing that Biblical figures were fictional and the "Young Jesus theory," riffing it back into the Nazi-fisting fantasy before signing off.
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- 1:15:32Tim reads fan mail: someone sent a Land's End gift card with $15 on it and a Starbucks card with $2.50.
- 1:15:50Tim has been reading about the Bible and concludes it's the ancient world's equivalent of fake news designed to keep people in power.
- 1:16:10A fan recommends New Testament scholar Robert Price's argument that Jesus and most biblical figures were fictional characters, contradicting mainstream scholarly consensus.
- 1:16:49Tim mentions the Young Jesus theory, an idea that the entire New Testament story occurred around 1200 or 1500 AD instead of 2000 years ago.
- 1:17:32Tim finds it funny this listener is focused on biblical scholarship rather than death threats he apparently receives.
- 1:17:48Tim says they're going to try getting religious scholars on the show to discuss these topics.
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