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Al Qaeda Was Overblown, and the CIA's Grip on Trump and Obama

from Inside the Cia (with John Kiriakou) · #54

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12 min

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Kiriakou argues the post-9/11 Al Qaeda threat was wildly exaggerated, discusses mission creep in Afghanistan, why the CIA prefers inexperienced presidents, why they distrust Trump for being uncontrollable, and touches on the Council on Foreign Relations as an elite consensus-building club.

In this bit11 moments
  • 1:00:21The CIA follows J. Edgar Hoover's playbook, securing massive budget increases year after year by hyping existential threats.
  • 1:00:44Post-9/11 fear of Al Qaeda was wildly overblown; Senator Jean Shaheen said fewer than 50 fighters remained in Afghanistan a year after the attacks.
  • 1:01:26The mission in Afghanistan shifted repeatedly—from destroying Al Qaeda to destroying the Taliban to rebuilding the country—prolonging a pointless occupation.
  • 1:02:34Captured Al Qaeda recruits were teenagers who cried for their mothers, hardly the fearsome enemy Americans feared.
  • 1:03:37Intelligence officials convinced themselves terrorism has no end and that declaring victory is impossible, guaranteeing perpetual war.
  • 1:03:59Post-9/11, the CIA deliberately fed the public information grossly different from what it knew to be true.
  • 1:05:32The CIA hates Trump because he's impossible to control, whereas they prefer presidents they can manipulate easily.
  • 1:06:27There's no good guy in the Trump-Russia situation: not the CIA, not Russia, and not Trump.
  • 1:07:48The Council on Foreign Relations isn't a secret CIA front—it's mostly wealthy, well-meaning businesspeople who want to influence foreign policy.
  • 1:10:19The CFR and similar think tanks create consensus on economic and foreign policy that gets adopted by people in power through shared social circles and schools.
  • 1:11:22The CIA spied on the congressional commission investigating Bush-era torture, despite Brennan's denials.
Mentioned here

Donald TrumpAl-QaedaCouncil on Foreign RelationsJohn BrennanTalibanJ. Edgar HooverJean ShaheenHenry KissingerJames Baker

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