Episode 33 · The GaS Digital / Ray Kump Era
Crashing Down
Feb 21, 2017 · 1:16:41 · 20 segments, 143 moments indexed
- 1 min
Show open with music and intro voiceover establishing the Going To Hell premise, then Tim welcomes listeners with co-host Ray Kump.
2moments
- 0:10Tim introduces the show's premise: taking a hard critical look at the people society has decided to hate—billionaires, dictators, CEOs.
- 0:22There are bad people in the world, and thank God for them—what's good without evil?
- 1 min
Pitching a Musical About the Colonel's Cult in Hollywood
#Tim describes pitching a dark musical/show in Hollywood based on a satanic pedophile cult, joking about casting and big musical numbers.
2moments
- 0:37Tim pitched a show concept while in Hollywood
- 0:50Ray confirms it would feature an actual actor playing Johnny
- 1 min
The Colonel's Grammar and Fun Human Trafficking
#Tim continues riffing on the pitch, imagining humanizing a child trafficker through his love of grammar and crossword puzzles while cages of kids sing showtunes.
3moments
- 1:30Tim describes a dark comedic scene: entering the Colonel's house in Colorado to reveal kids in cages while a song called "This Ain't Great" plays.
- 1:46Representatives warned Tim against this idea, nervous about the concept.
- 2:06He pitches the Colonel as a character who loved grammar and sentence structure, making him despicable yet oddly sympathetic.
- 3 min
Ray and Bill's Adderall-Fueled Disaster Episode
#Tim grills Ray about a chaotic, incoherent bonus episode he recorded with his friend Bill while on Adderall, including a bizarre Meryl Streep/Larry Flynt tangent and mixed fan reaction.
7moments
- 2:39Tim and Bill recorded an episode together that was abstract and confusing, described as a 'festival of autism.'
- 3:18They stayed up all night before the recording, hashing out the framework and structure for the episode.
- 3:52Tim admits they both took a bunch of Adderall to compensate for not being able to sleep.
- 4:19Lee left Tim with the Gas Digital team, who then went and took Adderall before making an episode where people couldn't understand what was happening.
- 4:34The Adderall-fueled conversations included abstract topics like Meryl Streep marrying Larry Flynt of Hustler that could go on for hours.
- 5:02Tim was so confident going in, but the moment the episode started at seven o'clock, he couldn't latch onto words or frame sentences properly.
- 5:23Within two minutes, Tim knew the episode was going off the rails.
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- 1 min
Milo Yiannopoulos's Pedophilia Comments Fallout
#Tim and Ray break down Milo Yiannopoulos losing his book deal and Breitbart job over comments defending relationships between older men and 13-14 year old boys.
3moments
- 6:18Tim explains he hasn't released the episode on iTunes yet and could either do that or put it behind a paywall for Gas Digital subscribers.
- 6:41Tim mentions they may have committed slander talking about Phil Jackson during the episode.
- 7:15Tim notes that every week on the show they try not to talk about pedophilia.
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- 3 min
Sexual Abuse, Victimhood, and the Nature of the Crime
#They dig into the psychology of victims sometimes describing abuse as pleasurable, referencing Milo's own history of abuse and a childhood book Tim read about molestation.
7moments
- 7:48Milo Yiannopoulos loses book deal and Breitbart job over podcast comments defending relationships with minors.
- 8:20Tim outlines Milo's argument: sexual relationships between older gay men and younger boys characterized as beneficial coming-of-age experiences.
- 8:40Tim jokes about dating a 13-year-old and questions what life skills an older partner could actually teach.
- 9:11Acknowledging mentorship gaps in gay communities doesn't excuse sexual contact with minors.
- 9:43Tim distinguishes between older-younger apprenticeships at 17-19 versus the 13-14 age range Milo mentioned.
- 9:59Milo was himself a victim of sexual abuse and may have been trying to rationalize the trauma he experienced.
- 10:14Tim: if someone enjoyed abuse, that shouldn't be unsayable—but the act remains inexcusable and taboo.
- 4 min
Gay Culture, Underground Sex, and Milo's Self-Loathing
#Extended riff on gay culture being pushed underground historically, personal anecdotes about hooking up in a hotel lounge, and analysis of Milo saying he'd rather not be gay.
8moments
- 10:29Tim reads a book as a young teenager figuring out he was gay, featuring a child describing being molested and liking it.
- 10:43The problem with sexual crime is that the act itself may feel good, distorting a child's perception of sexual reality.
- 11:32Conversation about this topic feels like driving in the Hollywood Hills at night—dangerous and you have to keep pulling over.
- 11:54Speech is being policed by different entities and people's jobs and good names are on the line, so they give heavily edited versions of what they're saying.
- 12:36The right wing claims gay people have a different sexual code than straight people, which Tim says has some truth—gay and straight cultures are different.
- 13:10Reducing gay people to just sex and claiming they're incapable of monogamy isn't true; many gay men and lesbians have been in committed relationships for a long time.
- 13:45Gay people were told they were disgusting, dirty freaks, so they behaved in ways that weren't mainstream.
- 14:20When you're forced underground and told you're a disgusting freak, you have sex parties and clubs and your lifestyle becomes underground as a result.
- 2 min
Milo as Troll, Deportation Camps, and CPAC Politics
#Discussion of Milo profiting from outrage, the coming immigration deportation camps, and why old-guard CPAC conservatives distanced themselves from the alt-right and Milo.
4moments
- 14:46Tim recounts meeting someone on Grindr years ago and having sex in a hotel lounge in Midtown Manhattan during the day.
- 15:24Discussion of what constitutes a hotel lounge and whether someone could see sexual activity happening in a booth inside one.
- 16:13Tim describes being 24 in a mall parking lot when someone wanted to perform oral sex on him and he worried about people walking by.
- 16:27Tim's frustration about the mall parking lot being his home and the absurdity of that being his living situation at the time.
- 5 min
Thomas Sowell, CPAC's Milo Takedown, and the Intelligence War
#They discuss Thomas Sowell's controversial comments, debate whether liberals or conservatives orchestrated Milo's downfall, and pivot into the unprecedented intelligence community war against the Trump White House.
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- 16:41Making a living by stoking outrage is the paradigm trolls operate in.
- 16:52People don't get famous by being universally loved; they need to be equally loved and hated.
- 17:14Milo and people on both sides create enemies as their sole purpose to enrage people.
- 17:45Milo is a gay guy who's said he'd rather not be gay, which is a complicated statement.
- 18:11Tim argues Milo is trying to appease people who think gay people are inferior and shouldn't raise kids or marry.
- 18:48When you look at real suffering in the world—people born with diseases, in abusive situations—being uncomfortable seems like a small complaint.
- 19:30Thomas Sowell is a brilliant economist, but when he says things like black people had higher employment rates during slavery, you have to question it.
- 20:10Milo as a gay guy goes around saying he wouldn't hire gay people because they're on drugs and out partying till 3am every night.
- 20:43Conservatives believe homosexuality and pedophilia are interchangeable, and Milo was brought down by this conflation despite a liberal initially surfacing the remarks.
- 21:04Conservatives blocked Milo from speaking at CPAC because there's real homophobia there, and the internet labeled him a pedophile apologist with no nuance.
- 21:16It's interesting that Milo's downfall came from conservatives on the right, not the left.
- 6 min
Pizzagate, Epstein Island, and the FBI/CIA Blackmail Theory
#Tim lays out the sprawling 4chan-sourced theory involving Wienergate, Hillary's servers, Jeffrey Epstein's island, Mossad/MI6/CIA blackmail operations, and FBI leaks meant to sway the election against a pedophile-protecting establishment.
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- 21:32Milo was invited to speak at CPAC, the old school conservative club.
- 22:14Tim describes the situation of undocumented immigrants facing deportation camps as gross, despite believing immigration policy requires consideration.
- 23:27Optics of deportation camps are terrible for conservatives, even if they don't fully understand the implications.
- 24:48Tim thinks when people like Milo become big enough or threatening enough, there's a coordinated effort to neutralize them.
- 25:42A gay Republican icon being tied to pedophilia mirrors what Republicans have historically accused gay people of being, which is Shakespearean.
- 26:22Major busts and sweeps of child pornography and human traffickers have been happening in California and elsewhere.
- 26:42If Pizzagate was completely fake, people question where all the new information about these operations is coming from.
- 27:15An anonymous poster on 4chan claiming to be an FBI guy described deep political information that may be 10%, 50%, or 100% true.
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- 7 min
Debating Trump's Motives and the Human Trafficking Crackdown
#Ray and Tim argue over whether Trump would stay quiet about such explosive information, timing of the trafficking busts relative to the new administration, and whether this is really driving the CIA/FBI conflict.
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- 27:36Foreign intelligence agencies supposedly compromised Hillary Clinton's private servers and held blackmail material related to sexual abuse of minors.
- 28:04Epstein's Island was a private location where politicians and celebrities were filmed in compromising positions, possibly with minors.
- 28:23Mossad, MI6, and the CIA allegedly facilitated sexual abuse and trafficking of children to blackmail powerful people globally.
- 28:55Elements of the FBI discovered these operations and leaked information to sway the election toward Trump, believing he would stop the abuse.
- 29:44Trump said at a press conference that human trafficking is an epidemic and pushed Jeff Sessions to clamp down on it.
- 29:59An alliance supposedly exists between Israel, Saudi Arabia, and British intelligence to control Middle East operations and conduct these trafficking networks.
- 30:53If Trump were genuinely cracking down on human trafficking at the Justice Department level, he would probably boast about it given his tendency toward bluster.
- 31:24The material is supposedly so damaging that releasing evidence of American politicians abusing children would cause riots and destroy America's global standing.
- 32:28To upend fifty years of child exploitation operations, the new administration would need its people in place first rather than acting before the attorney general was confirmed.
- 33:06A ring in California was reportedly the largest human trafficking operation ever taken down, suggesting some action is actually occurring.
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- 6 min
Is This a Coup? The CIA, Blackmail, and Shadow Government
#They speculate whether the intelligence community is effectively running a shadow government via blackmail, referencing Glenn Greenwald, Michael Flynn's ouster, and comparing it to a possible power struggle rather than simple politics.
10moments
- 34:45Tim proposes the intelligence community may believe a coup has taken place, with the CIA and financial interests effectively running the government against American interests.
- 35:18Blackmail and damning information create a culture of fear that allows intelligence agencies to control foreign and domestic governments to perpetuate endless wars.
- 35:58He acknowledges the entire theory could be complete bullshit, but finds the timing suspicious.
- 36:32John Brennan and Obama's close relationship contrasts with Trump's isolation, creating an opportunity to expose networks if intelligence factions decide to act.
- 37:07If Podesta allegations are true, a cover-up would reach the White House, explaining why intelligence leaks about Michael Flynn broke protocol.
- 37:45The solution to Trump cannot be an unelected shadow government; it must be a constitutional government that respects rights and laws.
- 38:33The real problem transcends Trump tribalism—an unaccountable CIA running foreign policy roughshod is dangerous regardless of partisan loyalty.
- 39:02The CIA functions as a clearinghouse for wealthy elites and business interests, overthrowing governments like Guatemala for United Fruit and Iran for BP.
- 39:35Bankers hold the economy hostage, which is why politicians take orders from them and no Wall Street executives faced prosecution for the mortgage crisis.
- 40:12Tim asks why the CIA hates the new administration so much if there's no fire beneath the smoke.
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- 5 min
Why Does the CIA Hate Trump So Much?
#Continued debate over whether CIA hostility to Trump stems from foreign policy interests like Syria pipelines versus a cover-up of a sexual blackmail operation, and how overt the conflict has become.
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- 40:29Trump can't be manipulated the way other politicians can, so the CIA doesn't think they can run a snow job on him.
- 41:09Trump attacked the intelligence community and CIA directly, threatening their credibility.
- 42:01Instead of acknowledging Russian involvement in hacking, Trump completely dismissed it and acted like the CIA was crazy.
- 42:31Intelligence agency heads like John Brennan came out against Trump before the election, possibly viewing him as unfit.
- 43:03Trump operates like an authoritarian dictator with his own playbook, unlike Obama who works within normal political parameters.
- 43:30A well-meaning CIA director would want a malleable president they can brief and influence, not someone like Trump.
- 43:53The FBI had beef with the Clintons, possibly because New York office members were friendly with Rudy Giuliani.
- 44:15Whether or not human trafficking is real, there's a genuine issue between the FBI and the Clintons.
- 44:45The Clintons operate as a lawless crime family like the Bushes, accountable to nobody, yet the FBI operates similarly.
- 45:04Human trafficking might be grotesque enough to make institutions act, unlike the Franklin Scandal which the FBI shut down.
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- 7 min
How Big a Tool Is Sexual Blackmail for Intelligence Agencies?
#Deep dive into how intelligence agencies use sexual blackmail as one tool among many, comparing it to bugging the Kremlin and FBI mob investigations, and questioning how much leverage it really provides.
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- 45:57Tim argues sexual blackmail is so integral to CIA operations that restricting it threatens their ability to function.
- 46:50The CIA's opposition to Trump might stem from his potential to expose pedophile rings rather than just geopolitical interests.
- 47:57Tim questions how significant sexual blackmail actually is as a tool compared to other CIA methods of influence.
- 48:31Compromising politicians worldwide through blackmail is foundational to intelligence operations, not a minor tactic.
- 49:02CIA case officers assess a target's weaknesses—infidelity, gambling, pedophilia—to find leverage for recruitment.
- 49:45Tim suggests Israel's support in the US might involve blackmail operations beyond just financial or strategic interests.
- 50:34Intelligence agencies never want to shut down any source of information, similar to FBI mob investigations keeping channels open.
- 51:20The horrible reality: child sex operations continue partly because they provide intelligence leverage, even if minimal.
- 51:52Tim concludes the CIA might tolerate thousands of children being exploited for potentially trivial intelligence gains on weapons deals.
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- 4 min
Nixon, Watergate, and Comparing CIA Tactics on Trump
#They compare the current CIA-Trump conflict to the CIA's alleged framing of Nixon in Watergate, discussing why Trump's public antagonism differs from Nixon's discretion.
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- 52:30Trump and the CIA seem to be at odds — he's declined the daily presidential briefing, making him the first president in modern history to do so.
- 52:51Recent high-profile busts in human trafficking coincide with Trump's stated intention to crack down on the epidemic.
- 53:11Tim notes how unsubtle Trump's antagonism toward the CIA appears, raising questions about whether he's being deliberately reckless or actually informed of something.
- 53:42If Trump had genuine intelligence about CIA misconduct, publicly antagonizing them would be counterproductive — you wouldn't tip them off or make yourself look crazy.
- 54:07Trump shoots from the hip, making his motives difficult to separate from his actions in ways that wouldn't apply to other politicians.
- 54:29Some Trump team moves appear strategically savvy — like when he baits media into listing thwarted terrorist attacks, which then makes his travel ban seem more reasonable.
- 55:01Tim expresses skepticism about the scale of human trafficking claims and the idea that the FBI blocked the Clintons for this reason, treating it as a lurid conspiracy theory.
- 55:22While skeptical of specific claims, Tim doesn't dismiss that pedophilia reaches the highest levels of government — the real question is whether the president specifically is implicated.
- 6 min
Wrapping the Conspiracy: Don't Send Us Your Secret Files
#Tim jokingly warns listeners not to send classified files or recordings, reflects on the show's willingness to entertain multiple angles, and summarizes the unresolved but plausible elements of the trafficking/CIA theory.
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- 56:22Tim discusses the CIA's role in Watergate as a frame-up job against Nixon, per Russ Baker's book Family of Secrets.
- 56:54The CIA isn't publicly opposing Trump but is leaking information to remove people like Michael Flynn from his circle.
- 57:25Nixon understood the CIA killed JFK and stayed silent, unlike Trump who refuses to play ball with them.
- 58:19Tim asks listeners not to email him classified information or secret files, warning against getting involved.
- 59:01Someone online offered a $10,000 reward for media workers to provide newsroom recordings—a felony Tim won't participate in.
- 59:32These conspiracy questions are worth exploring even if not immediately provable, unlike typical dismissals.
- 59:50Nobody doubts the CIA uses sexual blackmail, wages a turf war with Trump, or that pedophile rings are being exposed.
- 1:00:29Tim argues it's entirely possible what some people claim about the FBI and the election could be true.
- 1:00:55Leaving unchecked theories alone is also harmful, so all of it should be discussed openly and tested against evidence.
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- 7 min
Nobody Trusts Any Institution Anymore
#Tim traces the collapse of institutional trust from the Catholic Church scandal through Clinton, Bush-era WMD lies, and Obama-era CIA torture revelations, arguing no media brand retains real credibility.
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- 1:01:14Pizzagate might be true, but there's plenty of documented scandals like the Franklin scandal and the Finders that actually happened.
- 1:01:42We only focus on conspiracy theories when they're politically convenient, not consistently.
- 1:01:59It's become edgy for liberals and comics to hate the media now, but they still trust CNN, the New York Times, and the CIA.
- 1:02:39Tim observes families in LA working dead-end jobs and worries about mass deportations in six months.
- 1:03:15Trump's policies don't make economic sense; he's recruiting from people who feel ignored and want chaos rather than solutions.
- 1:03:45The unifying principle among Trump's supporters seems to be a welcome for chaos with no rational plan.
- 1:04:22The internet amplifies only the shrillest radical voices on both sides, drowning out moderate perspectives.
- 1:05:05Media figures use the Breitbart playbook of creating fake controversies and Twitter attacks to generate notoriety.
- 1:05:45Trust in institutions collapsed starting with the Catholic Church scandal, which shook his entire generation.
- 1:06:12Bush's war was sold to the public based on false evidence, a massive scandal presented as justified policy.
- 1:06:55Donald Rumsfeld popularized the phrase 'a few bad apples' to describe the CIA's designed torture network and secret prisons.
- 1:07:30The CIA officer who designed the enhanced interrogation program—the basis for Zero Dark Thirty—got promoted and sat in the situation room during the Bin Laden raid.
- 1:07:50The CIA specifically ordered torture techniques to deconstruct detainees psychologically, targeting religious taboos deliberately.
- 1:08:08After all this, nobody trusts any institution—media, government, or otherwise—anymore.
- 1:08:18Everyone has one trusted source, but there's no universal authority or brand left.
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- 3 min
CIA Torture Report and Media Complicity
#Further detail on the CIA torture program, the promotion of the Zero Dark Thirty-inspiring officer, and how media outlets abandoned objectivity covering Trump.
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- 1:08:33New York Times functions as a military-industrial complex apologist, corrupt as a paper of record.
- 1:08:53Trump's conduct gave media license to report with deliberate bias, opening the door for him to discredit them.
- 1:09:23Most news sources have an agenda; being informed requires reading widely, cross-referencing, and asking who benefits from the narrative.
- 1:10:03Tim imagines bringing up CIA pedophile cults at a new job, getting called into HR to explain conspiracy theories to human resources.
- 1:10:53People in California live on another planet and shut down any mention of these topics without engagement.
- 1:11:15Child sexual abuse is the worst thing, but electronics and textile production kill kids in warehouses—we grant corporations a pass on that suffering.
- 4 min
Child Semen in Coca-Cola and Everyday Hypocrisy
#Tim riffs on performative activism versus real volunteering, then does an absurdist bit about supposed acceptable levels of child semen in soda cans, tying it to broader hypocrisy about child labor in electronics.
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- 1:11:51Tim on Twitter activism versus actually volunteering face-to-face with homeless people and kids.
- 1:12:16Question: is there an acceptable level of child semen allowed in Coca-Cola cans?
- 1:12:51Apology for chewing sounds in the pizza buffet episode after complaint from someone with a condition.
- 1:13:20Tim considering doing more live buffet episodes despite the last one being gross.
- 1:13:55Tour dates: South by Southwest mid-March, Glasgow Comedy Festival March 21st, Come and Get It Fest in Houston early April, Long Island headlining weekend of March 30th.
- 1:14:43Social media presence: Tim Jay Dillon on Twitter and Instagram, banned from Facebook temporarily.
- 1:15:08Tim discovering Twitter now; Ray just got on Myspace.
- 1:15:41Tim threatens to destroy people on Twitter if they say something isn't true without a new angle.
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- 1 min
Tim runs through upcoming tour dates in Austin, Glasgow, Houston, and Long Island, plugs his socials, and closes with a joke about hearing from cult survivors.
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- 1:15:57Tim asks why cult survivors would go on his show to discuss their experience.
- 1:16:10Tim complains that restaurants won't grill the bread properly on a Reuben sandwich.
- 1:16:21Making a false claim about being in a cult with Nancy Pelosi creates legal liability once you try to verify it.