Episode 17 · The GaS Digital / Ray Kump Era
Sex Slaves and Assassins (with Nick Bryant)
with Nick Bryant
Nov 1, 2016 · 1:05:44 · 19 segments, 137 moments indexed
- 1 min
GaS Digital Network branding and intro music for Tim Dillon's Going to Hell.
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- 0:00Tim introduces his show's premise: taking a critical look at society's most hated figures—billionaires, dictators, CEOs.
- 0:22He argues there are bad people in the world, and we should be grateful for them because good needs evil to exist.
- 1 min
Ray Kump's Birthday and C-Section Origin Story
#Tim welcomes listeners to the pre-election episode and celebrates Ray Kump's birthday, joking about Ray's birth by C-section in Queens.
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- 0:54Ray Kump's birthday is November 1st, and he was born in Queens, probably Flushing.
- 1:08Ray was the second child, born in the back of a car or via C-section.
- 1:22Tim asks why Ray needed a C-section, suspects his head was too big to pass through the cervix.
- 1:46Ray acknowledges C-sections leave a scar, which can't be ideal, though they cause less pain than natural birth.
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- 2 min
2016 Election Cynicism and Partisan Extremes
#Tim discusses how the 2016 election cycle has become uniquely toxic compared to past elections like Bush v. Gore, with extreme voices dominating both parties.
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- 2:10Tim traces his political awareness back to the 2000 election between Al Gore and George W. Bush.
- 2:32Since 2000, each election cycle has seen people become increasingly cynical about politics.
- 2:45The extremes on both sides—Republican, Democrat, libertarian, socialist, Green Party—have grabbed the spotlight in a way that dominates discourse.
- 3:12This election cycle is more broken than any previous one Tim has witnessed.
- 3:25Some believed Trump's polarizing effect would be offset by Republicans defecting to vote for Hillary Clinton, potentially healing partisan divisions.
- 3:57A comedian doing a pro-Trump joke at a Halloween show in the East Village got such a hostile reaction that his entire set was ruined.
- 2 min
The Nazi Grandpa Bit and Halloween Trump Blowup
#Tim recounts a comedian friend's disastrous pro-Trump joke at a Halloween show and a table of women physically moving away from them at a Ukrainian restaurant over political conversation, then revisits his own controversial 'Nazi grandfather' stand-up bit.
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- 4:19Tim goes to Vysalka, a Ukrainian restaurant in the East Village, and starts riffing about Trump at dinner.
- 4:49Anthony Kumiya's observation that the Trump movie doesn't end with Trump losing, so it feels like you're in a doomsday film.
- 5:02A couple at the next table physically picks up their entire table and moves it away to escape Tim's conversation.
- 5:30The opening bit was 'my grandpa was a Nazi,' a joke that doesn't preface itself or signal where it's heading.
- 5:59The punchline unfolds: the grandfather didn't do anything bad, he just drove the truck—the truck of Jews to the train.
- 6:15Tim's closer: 'He came and paid his Jews and a borscht route,' a bit he says will go down in the annals of comedy history.
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- 3 min
Setting Up Epstein and the WikiLeaks Deep State
#Tim ties together WikiLeaks revelations, claims of a 'deep state,' Jeffrey Epstein's private plane and Clinton's flights, and elite pedophilia rumors before introducing his guest.
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- 6:36Tim notes nobody talks about healthcare despite ongoing political scandals about Russian collusion and State Department conspiracies.
- 7:17Tim observes the media landscape during the 2016 election: cable news pushing Russian involvement narratives while Trump faced child rape allegations.
- 7:45WikiLeaks emails reveal a double government or deep state operating behind the scenes through power brokers and influence peddlers pulling the machinery of government.
- 8:17Tim notes some of these government elites apparently engage in child sexual abuse and frequent sex slave islands.
- 8:32Tim argues wealthy men could easily obtain legal sex workers in the New York area instead of needing island operations, before acknowledging sex slavery is genuinely problematic.
- 9:06Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire finance guy from Bear Stearns, allegedly had Bill Clinton take 27 trips on his private plane according to Fox News.
- 9:23Clinton left his Secret Service detail off the plane during some flights to Epstein's properties, raising questions about why he wouldn't want protection.
- 9:35Both Trump and Clinton supposedly have relationships with Epstein, uniting the two 2016 candidates through this billionaire connection.
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- 4 min
Author Nick Bryant joins to discuss Jeffrey Epstein's pandering of underage girls to powerful people, his light sentence, his black book of contacts, Alan Dershowitz, and an active case alleging Trump and Epstein molested a 13-year-old.
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- 10:09Nick Bryant wrote The Franklin Scandal, about a pedophile ring centered in Omaha, Nebraska involving child abuse and power brokers.
- 10:31He also wrote Confessions of a DC Madam, expanding on how illegal prostitution networks operate and influence government members.
- 11:04Tim asks Bryant about Jeffrey Epstein and the networks of wealthy and politically connected people allegedly using his services.
- 12:21Bryant confirms substantial evidence that Epstein pandered underage children to politically connected and powerful people.
- 12:36Epstein was indicted for molesting a minor but received preferential treatment, spending only 13 months in county jail.
- 13:07Bryant has Epstein's black book, published on Gawker, containing names of powerful people described as mind-boggling.
- 13:19Passenger manifests from Epstein's plane show Clinton appeared on multiple manifests, along with Alan Dershowitz.
- 13:37Dershowitz has been accused by other girls provided by Epstein of sexual misconduct.
- 13:47A federal court case involves a woman claiming she was molested by both Epstein and Trump when she was 13 years old.
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- 4 min
Bryant explains how hidden cameras and blackmail material give pedophiles political leverage, why powerful pedophiles rarely face consequences, and the psychological drivers behind their behavior.
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- 14:28Tim notes the media won't touch Trump-Epstein ties because exposing that would implicate too many other powerful people—mutually assured distraction.
- 15:13Epstein's house search turned up hidden cameras, suggesting sexual blackmail on the island operated similarly to the Franklin scandal townhouse setup.
- 16:00Tim plays devil's advocate: wouldn't constantly squeezing victims for political favors hurt a child-trafficking referral business?
- 16:23Bryant explains the leverage: a photograph of someone molesting a child means you own them completely—they'll do whatever you want.
- 16:41Tim asks why so many rich and powerful people are pedophiles and what links wealth to the behavior.
- 17:00Bryant distinguishes pedophilia across all social classes but notes powerful people don't face consequences for their crimes the way ordinary offenders do.
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- 4 min
Bryant details J. Edgar Hoover blackmailing JFK over affairs to force Lyndon Johnson onto the ticket, and how Dennis Hastert's decades of abuse were known by Turkish and U.S. governments and used as leverage.
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- 18:04J. Edgar Hoover was gay and possibly a crossdresser who blackmailed powerful people, including JFK.
- 18:22Kennedy's secretary claims he was blackmailed into putting Lyndon Johnson on the 1960 ticket, altering history.
- 18:39Kennedy had multiple affairs while in the White House, giving Hoover leverage against him.
- 19:03Whistleblowers from the NSA and FBI have said their agencies collected blackmail material on powerful politicians.
- 19:14FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds discussed Dennis Hastert, who was exposed as a child molester while Speaker of the House.
- 19:27The Turkish government knew about Hastert's illicit acts while he was Speaker, and so did the U.S. government.
- 20:20Hastert's child abuse of underage boys spanned decades and continued in Washington with no consequences until much later.
- 20:40Tim theorizes Hastert was blackmailed and used as a tool before eventually being exposed.
- 21:25Hastert made significant money from Turkish government lobbying, and Tim speculates he got too greedy or became a political example.
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Bryant discusses how vulnerable kids from foster care and places like Boys Town are turned into victims, revisits the Johnny Gosch abduction and Larry King's protection, and notes how enforcers like Craig Spence disappeared while King was given a quiet job.
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- 22:16Tim's guest outlines how DC culture is conducive to blackmail: politicians are highly sexed, arrogant alpha males susceptible to compromise.
- 23:12Guest explains that there are very few stranger-to-stranger child abductions in the US—between 300 and 400 a year.
- 23:44The Franklin scandal pimps procured children from Boys Town outside Omaha, the foster system, and teenagers who fell through the cracks.
- 24:28Tim asks whether Johnny Gosch was abducted by a pedophile ring with connections to the Franklin scandal.
- 24:40Guest believes Gosch was abducted by people with connections to the ring and ended up sexually exploited in some form of slavery.
- 25:17Guest thinks Johnny Gosch was probably alive up to at least five years ago.
- 25:29Lawrence E. King, who ran the ring, sang the national anthem at the Republican National Convention and had pictures with Reagan's daughter.
- 25:51Tim wonders why Lawrence E. King wasn't eliminated if he knew where so many bodies were buried.
- 26:13Guest reveals King was apparently told to keep his mouth shut in exchange for eventual protection and a job at a BMW dealership in Virginia.
- 26:38Tim asks whether Jeffrey Epstein was given a similar deal.
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Bryant weighs whether pedophilia could be treated like an addiction, discusses whether it stems from childhood abuse, and Tim presses him on the disturbing occult and ritual abuse claims tied to the Franklin scandal.
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- 26:46Epstein received a better plea deal than Lawrence King, who faced financial charges despite abuse allegations.
- 27:03Tim asks whether pedophilia should be treated medically or behaviorally rather than forcing offenders into criminal corners online.
- 27:52Guest describes pedophilia as an addiction treatable through multiple modalities if the person genuinely wants to improve.
- 28:34Tim questions whether it's simply sexual preference or rooted in power dynamics among the wealthy and powerful.
- 29:14Guest notes that Franklin scandal victims abused at very young ages went on to commit their own abuse or distribute child pornography.
- 29:47Childhood sexual abuse can prevent normal sexual development, creating cycles of victimization.
- 30:42Tim notes the guest found little corroboration for ritual sacrifice allegations but had no reason to doubt the witnesses' testimonies.
- 30:55Guest confirms testimony of child murder and sacrifice ceremonies without substantial independent verification.
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Bryant describes the US Customs investigation into 'the Finders' cult, the discovery of child pornography and ritual imagery, and how the CIA stepped in and shut down the investigation, tying it to broader MKUltra mind control questions.
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- 31:34A US Customs report on the Finders led Tim into investigating the Franklin scandal after discovering the CIA covered up occult rituals involving children.
- 32:00The Finders warehouse contained strange machines, children in robes, and evidence of ritual animal sacrifice that the CIA subsequently covered up.
- 32:51Tim asks his guest to speculate on why an intelligence agency would suppress an investigation into child abuse and occult practices.
- 33:25US Customs officers found child pornography depicting children engaged in rituals after locating cult members with six underage children in a park.
- 34:06The CIA claimed the Finders case became an internal CIA matter and shut down the US Customs investigation, despite having no clear authority to do so.
- 34:45Possible motives for CIA protection of the Finders include using children for prostitution or mind control experiments, given the agency's documented history.
- 35:15MKUltra was a CIA program the agency admitted to, which tested psychotropic drugs on children, raising questions about whether it actually ended.
- 35:40Tim's guest discusses whether programs like MKUltra went underground as unacknowledged black ops rather than being genuinely discontinued.
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Bryant discusses the Extreme Abuse Survey, claims of post-1972 government mind control victims turned into assassins or sex slaves, and how widespread sexual blackmail may be in subverting democracy.
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- 35:59Scores of people have come forward claiming to be victims of mind control after 1972, when the official programs supposedly ended.
- 36:33Tim asks why the government would need programmed assassins and sex slaves when willing ones already exist.
- 38:02The guest discusses how widespread mind control may be and whether it's compromised elected officials and democratic government.
- 39:01Sexual blackmail plays an integral role in subverting American democracy, according to the guest's 14 years of research.
- 39:13Tim pivots to the 2016 presidential race, connecting the descent of American politics to sexual blackmail operations.
- 39:41James Patterson and John Connolly have written a book about Jeffrey Epstein called Filthy Rich, described as an actual investigation.
- 40:18The guest explains how child witnesses from the Franklin scandal were buried, jailed, or forced to bury their stories.
- 40:35Tim asks whether there will ever be justice for victimized children or if the forces involved are simply too powerful.
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Bryant recounts a death threat and harassment from his reporting, discusses the upcoming Epstein book Filthy Rich, and expresses cautious hope that mainstream exposure could bring accountability.
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- 41:46Bryant received a death threat early in his investigative work, plus harassment over the years.
- 42:33Tim mentions Bryant's books—The Franklin Scandal and Confessions of a DC Madam—available in bookstores and on Amazon.
- 43:00Bryant directs people to his website, a repository of information about the Franklin scandal.
- 43:29Tim asks how Bryant sleeps at night given the scope of government mind control and corruption he's uncovered.
- 44:00Bryant says the exact mechanisms of ongoing mind control are difficult to know, but the CIA was a bellwether in the field and likely still involved.
- 44:33Tim notes there should be people in these agencies refusing to abuse children, and Bryant confirms he got help from a couple of Feds during his Franklin scandal work.
- 44:59Bryant explains those Feds risked losing their jobs and potentially worse retribution by helping him, which is why many in government are frightened into silence.
- 45:30Tim asks about Bohemian Grove and occult significance, and Bryant declines to speculate.
- 45:51Tim ends by asking if the world is actually being run by a Luciferian cult.
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Tim asks Bryant point blank if a Luciferian cult runs the world; Bryant demurs on Bohemian Grove specifics but says the political system's dysfunction points to something nefarious, then signs off.
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- 46:18Tim notes the descent of the political system as evidence of something nefarious at high levels.
- 46:39Politicians repeatedly acted against what the majority of Americans wanted on Iraq War and bank bailouts.
- 47:07The Franklin scandal required three corrupted grand juries to cover up, indicating tremendous power at work.
- 47:39Tim lists current signs of systemic decay: politicians ignoring the will of the people, wealth polarization, eroding middle class.
- 48:08Tim wraps up the interview and plugs the guest's book.
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Post-Interview Breakdown: 'The Podcast Pedophile Hunter'
#Tim and Ray mock how guarded and rehearsed Bryant was on air compared to his books, joke about Alex Jones being more entertaining, and riff on the absurdity of investigative journalists refusing to speculate.
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- 48:42Tim jokes that a lot of kids got fucked for waffles.
- 48:53The guest's vague non-answer about God and the Catholic Church fails to address anything substantive.
- 49:11Tim imitates the guest's evasive style, pleading not to be quoted before offering speculation about political systems and the FBI.
- 50:09Tim explains why certain conspiracy guests don't get interviews elsewhere: nobody wants to air claims that might actually rock the boat.
- 50:38The guest's logic implies that only pedophiles could get elected if sexual blackmail stopped controlling the democratic system.
- 51:11Tim contrasts why people listen to Alex Jones versus these cautious investigative journalists: Jones commits to his claims with detail and conviction.
- 51:58The guest's evasiveness carries through even in his own book, where he stays vague about his own brushes with these networks.
- 52:23Tim kept telling the guest to stop saying fuck during the interview, but the guest kept using it anyway.
- 52:37The guest appreciated that Tim doesn't sugarcoat the topic of kids being fucked.
- 52:57Tim suspects the guest won't commit to specifics on the podcast because he's saving the juicy bits for his book.
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Riffing on Elite Pedophilia, Conspiracy Debunking, and Denial
#Tim and Ray joke darkly about the interview's vagueness, mock millennial conspiracy debunking culture, and Tim launches into a riff about how comfortable Western lives are subsidized by the suffering of others abroad.
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- 53:12Rich people fucking kids and the government knows about it—it's hidden in plain view, not new, just deliberately ignored.
- 53:45Tim compares his addiction to sugar and no-carb dieting to people's addiction to fucking kids, questioning why the latter is so intrinsically tied to power.
- 54:24Speculating whether wealthy, powerful people who procure child prostitutes do similar things to their own kids, which is easier to keep hidden.
- 54:43Ray asked for an episode about fucking kids for his birthday; Tim insists he doesn't want this to become the fucking kids podcast.
- 55:13The podcast gets labeled a pedophile hunter show; Tim questions what's weirder—actual pedophiles or the people obsessed with hunting them.
- 55:44Guest interviewer brought a script and wasn't equipped to have a real conversation, just wanted to read from prepared material.
- 56:05Tim doesn't doubt government conspiracy, but the logistics of mind control confuse him—does it happen in a doctor's office? How does someone walk out programmed to kill?
- 56:38Debunking conspiracy requires ignoring that most classified information is actually available; people just don't want to know because conspiracies often involve uncomfortable truths.
- 56:56Millennials made hating conspiracies cool; debunking became fashionable, with people dismissing theories without engaging with the underlying systems they expose.
- 57:12The real conspiracy: our comfortable lives are built on the suffering of others, and people reject this because they need to believe they earned their privilege rather than inherited it through luck and institutional racism.
- 58:07People are pattern-seeking creatures who construct narratives about hard work and merit to avoid the chaos of recognizing systemic inequality.
- 58:22Discussing arbitrary advantages some people have—stupid things from companies or systems—that others don't, and the difference these arbitrary privileges make.
- 58:32People invent false narratives about nerve or other invented concepts to justify their position in an unfair system.
- 3 min
Tim expands on Chinese factory labor and rare earth minerals funding American consumption, then riffs on a fake 'Skoll' tobacco sponsorship joke about a show no one will actually sponsor.
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- 59:04Tim argues that denial of global exploitation underpins modern consumer culture: cheap goods from China, rare earth minerals mined in Africa and Afghanistan, all subsidized by torment of impoverished workers.
- 59:44No sponsor will touch this show because what product could advertise alongside discussion of blood minerals and factory suffering—maybe just Skull energy drink.
- 1:00:11The denial of the world's reality isn't even our fault; we're born into the system, not designed by us like CIA operatives Alan Dulles.
- 1:00:37Some people make hard choices to avoid the system—go off-grid, stop buying cheap electronics from Walmart—but most don't.
- 1:01:03Tim mentions people who attempt dramatic resistance: the guy who tried to pay taxes to the IRS directly, the Texan who flew a prop plane as protest.
- 1:01:17Tim jokes that Skoll energy drink explicitly told him to stop putting a name on the sponsor reads, leading him to riff on American hypocrisy and child abuse.
- 1:01:35Tim's absurdist take: joining ISIS won't solve anything because they'll still abuse children, just without hiding it or providing Nerf toys to distract from the horror.
- 1:01:53At least ISIS is honest about its depravity, not a hypocrite like America pretending decency while the system runs on exploitation.
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Aneurysm Jokes and Birthday Plans Wrap-Up
#Quick exchange about Tim's aneurysm health scare joke and Ray's low-key birthday plans with his parents.
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- 1:02:12Tim's afraid of having an aneurysm after reading an article on Facebook
- 1:02:34Tim plugging upcoming dates and appearances, including a new season of a crowd work show
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Tim runs down upcoming shows including What's Your Fucking Deal, Manchester NH, Burlington VT, Houston's Come and Get It Fest, and Pittsfield MA, plugs the GaS Digital election night special with Chris Distefano, and closes with a reflective riff on Nick Bryant seeming rattled after years of dark research.
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- 1:02:44Tim pitches 'Shooting at the Bitter End' with ticket info on bigjocresin.com, November 6-10
- 1:03:08Vermont Comedy Club in Burlington, Vermont on November 30th, described as one of the best rooms in the country
- 1:03:32November 19th comedy night at the Infield in Pittsman or Pittsfield, Massachusetts
- 1:03:56Tim asks fans to subscribe and rate the podcast on iTunes, follow him on Twitter @TimJDillon and @RayKump
- 1:04:24Election night special coming up in partnership with Chris Gethard, airing on public access TV
- 1:04:43Tim explains they're trying to do interesting interviews with people from dark corners who come out rattled
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