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Post-Interview Reflection and Angleton's Hell Quote Sign-Off
from Slumbering Herds of Cattle · #12
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3 minTim and Ray debrief on the interview, joking that Baker would have hated being cornered by Talbot, reflecting on the detachment needed to be a figure like Dulles, and closing with Talbot's book quote about spymaster Angleton believing he'd see Dulles and Helms in hell.
- 1:08:42Tim reflects on the interview subject being long-winded but having a lot to say.
- 1:09:20They barely scratched the surface on Dulles, who shaped the past century but nobody wants to discuss.
- 1:09:35Tim argues that cynical people like him and the guest can engage with dark historical material while others find it unbearable.
- 1:10:09Allen Dulles was personally responsible for probably millions of deaths through coups and propped-up tyrannies.
- 1:10:37Tim reads the closing quote from David Talbot's book about Angleton and CIA leadership.
- 1:11:23Angleton on the CIA grand masters Dulles, Helms, and Weisner: you had to believe they would deservedly end up in hell.
- 1:11:43Angleton's final line: 'I guess I will see them there soon'—in response to discussing their damnation.
- 1:11:58Show ends with goodbye on social media handles and closing 'See you in hell.'
Allen DullesCIAThe Good ShepherdThe Devil's ChestportDavid TalbotJames Angleton