Interview · moment 13 of 20
MK-Ultra Lies to JFK and Dulles's Own Son Tortured
from Slumbering Herds of Cattle · #12
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4 minGuest
Talbot describes CIA lying to Kennedy about ending assassination plots against Castro, James Angleton's admission that spies must lie to everyone, and the horrifying detail that Dulles subjected his own brain-damaged war-hero son to MK-Ultra-style insulin shock torture treatments.
- 37:57CIA officials lied directly to President Kennedy and Attorney General Robert Kennedy about stopping the MK-Ultra mind control program while it continued in secret.
- 38:33James Angleton, a top CIA deputy under Dulles, claimed that spies aren't effective if they can't lie to elected officials and the democratic government they serve.
- 38:54Tim refuses to believe CIA claims about anything, given their documented history of lying to congressional committees, under oath, and to presidents.
- 39:05MK-Ultra was a massive Cold War mind control program under Dulles, spending millions to test whether humans could be forced to act against their will and turned into assassins.
- 39:38The torture manuals developed during MK-Ultra's Cold War black sites were revived and used by the Bush administration during post-9/11 interrogations.
- 40:19Allen Dulles put his own son—a Korean War Marine who returned brain-damaged from shrapnel—into the hands of MK-Ultra scientists for experimental treatment.
- 41:07Dulles's son was subjected to insulin overdose therapy, a procedure so violent it causes convulsions, epileptic seizures, and can crack the spine or cause death.
MK UltraAllen DullesCIAJames AngletonRobert KennedyJohn F. KennedyHarold WolfFidel Castro