Episode 10 · The GaS Digital / Ray Kump Era
This Ain't Great
Sep 13, 2016 · 1:49:20 · 22 segments, 183 moments indexed
- 1 min
Brief musical opening with the show title announced before Tim begins talking.
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- 0:10Tim Dillon Is Going To Hell (episode title)
- 3 min
Setting Up the Special Episode and Disclaimers
#Tim announces a special extended episode about the documentary Who Took Johnny, jokes darkly about not being suicidal in case anything happens to him given the dangerous subject matter, and explains how his friend Dan St. Germaine showed him the film.
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- 0:43Tim announces a special full-hour episode with fascinating guests arriving late due to traffic.
- 1:03Co-host Ray Kamp is in an Uber or Uber pool on his way to the studio.
- 1:22A documentary director for "Who Took Johnny" will appear, with the subject Norin Gosh calling in later for a phone interview.
- 1:35Tim explains he learned about the documentary while having lunch with comedian Dan Saint Germain in the East Village.
- 1:51Tim makes a preemptive disclaimer that he is not suicidal, establishing that if something happens to him, it was not self-inflicted.
- 2:41The documentary is about Johnny Gosh, a paperboy who disappeared approximately thirty to thirty-five years ago and was featured on a milk carton.
- 3:05Tim strongly recommends that viewers watch the documentary first before listening to the episode, and warns against showing it to children.
- 3:33Tim acknowledges the serious subject matter while noting that he typically deals with difficult topics through humor, which will be toned down as guests arrive.
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- 3 min
Introducing the Franklin Scandal and the Fake Child Prostitution Ring Rep
#Tim lays out the basics of Johnny Gosch's abduction and the Franklin Credit Union child prostitution scandal in Omaha, name-drops Lawrence E. King and the book The Franklin Scandal, then brings on Ray Kump doing a bit as a joke 'representative' of the prostitution ring.
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- 3:52Johnny Gosh was abducted thirty-five years ago; the first half of the documentary focuses on police incompetence.
- 4:15Norine Gosh fought with police and the FBI to find her son, and her work changed missing persons procedures.
- 5:13The second half of the documentary questions viewers' understanding of the country and the criminal justice system.
- 5:37Human trafficking and child abduction feel abstract unless it directly affects you personally.
- 6:17A child prostitution ring was covered up, supposedly reaching the highest levels of the U.S. government, with kids flown around and sold to wealthy people in business and politics.
- 6:48Tim introduces a representative from the child prostitution ring to speak on the air.
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- 3 min
Franklin Scandal Background and CIA Speculation
#Tim continues detailing the Franklin cover-up, flight manifests of unaccompanied minors, and speculates the conspiracy reaches the CIA, while riffing on how none of this should be taken as fact.
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- 7:11Everyone who's gotten near the Franklin case in a substantial way has been killed.
- 7:34The child prostitution ring was centered in Omaha and run out of the Franklin Credit Union by Republican rising star Larry King.
- 8:01The Franklin Scandal book by investigative journalist Nick Bryant and the conspiracy documentary have detailed the case.
- 8:44The BBC made a documentary for the Discovery Channel about the cover-up, but Discovery didn't air it.
- 9:02Flight manifests show Larry King flying around the country with seven or eight unnamed minors.
- 9:38Tim argues there's so much smoke around the Franklin case that there has to be fire.
- 9:57The case goes all the way to the top, most likely to the CIA.
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- 2 min
The Church of Satan Sound Guy and UCB Green Room Story
#Tim tells a tangential story about a sound guy wearing an actual Church of Satan shirt on a shoot with Chris Gethard, then describes an awkward encounter with the head of UCB where he brought up the Glazer rape accusations.
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- 10:20A Church of Satan sound guy kept approaching Tim after each take, telling him he was funny and looked familiar.
- 10:52Tim realizes the guy in the Church of Satan shirt is actually the sound guy for the shoot, not someone of importance.
- 11:08The head of UCB comes into the green room where Tim is sitting.
- 11:20Tim brings up the Glazer rape accusation at UCB while eating a jelly donut, trying to endear himself to the director.
- 11:32Director refuses to comment on the Glazer situation.
- 11:59Tim tells his manager they're being run by the illuminati and pedophiles, and asks if the documentary is trending.
- 12:09Discussion of whether the documentary is well made and if it's trending because of Tim talking about it or broader audience interest.
- 4 min
Joking About Prank Calling 'Johnny Gosch' and Show Credibility Bit
#Tim and Ray riff on a bit about having a fake Johnny Gosch call in to talk about Hillary Clinton, then Tim reflects on how oddly accessible major conspiracy figures like Russ Baker are to their small podcast.
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- 12:35Tim notes that investigative subjects are surprisingly accessible, which suggests the system is broken.
- 12:54They can't reach celebrities eliminated on Dancing with the Stars but can get conspiracy researchers.
- 13:10The logic of wealthy pedophiles exploiting children rather than street abduction actually makes sense.
- 13:57Tim describes satanism and ritual sacrifice claims about missing children as part of conspiracy narratives.
- 14:33Tim pitched prank-calling Johnny Gosch's mother while impersonating the kidnapped boy talking about Hillary Clinton.
- 15:28They found out the mother was coming on the show and cancelled the prank call bit.
- 15:39Tim argues the show needs to balance tone and credibility while insisting they're in the top 100 podcasts.
- 4 min
Russ Baker's Reaction and the Craig Spence/Franklin Connections
#Tim recounts Russ Baker's obsessive reaction after watching the documentary, discusses Craig Spence's call boy ring and the White House press pass conspiracy angle, and muses on the psychological toll of investigating this material.
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- 16:17Tim received a call from Russ Baker about a documentary called 'Who Took Johnny' that sent him down a three-week rabbit hole.
- 16:28Baker wanted to do a podcast about it but Tim said the material was too dark to pursue.
- 16:51Johnny Gosch was a paperboy who disappeared and somehow had a White House press pass without credentials, according to the documentary.
- 17:21Tim notes that examining this material plays with your mind, as if by design, mixing outlandish claims with real elements.
- 17:35People laugh when Tim mentions Satanists abducting children in casual conversation, but the 1980s panic was widespread.
- 17:53The FBI kept denying satanic ritual abuse was happening while actual victims described horns, chants, and bloodletting.
- 18:45Kids describing ritualistic abuse after trauma might sound like hallucinations, but dressing as a demon while molesting someone would naturally produce demonic descriptions.
- 19:16Some of the abuse victims from the documentary and book have allegedly been murdered.
- 19:57Tim texted Baker a joke address and asked if it was a trap, then Baker responded he was en route.
- 20:10Tim notes that when someone does the kind of work Baker does, the complications become unavoidable.
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Satanic Ritual Abuse and Kids' Credibility Being Destroyed
#Tim details how the ring allegedly forced abducted children to commit crimes and endure ritual abuse to destroy their credibility, discusses claims of goat rituals and bloodletting, and connects it to broader tactics used to discredit victims.
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- 20:15Tim compares investigative journalists like Russ Baker to the moment before a hit in Goodfellas—constantly fearing sudden death from exposure.
- 20:56Nebraska Republican Franklin Credit Union scandal: a rising star abducting children from the foster care system, targeting kids with no parents or advocates.
- 21:25Johnny Gosh kidnapping and his mother Norine's battle with authorities, cops, and feds to get a police chief removed for inaction.
- 21:47Documentary links Gosh's abduction to a larger pedophile network through testimony from Paul Banasi, a sex offender cops refused to interview.
- 22:08Abducted children are forced to molest other children and commit felonies, which destroys their credibility and traps them in the ring out of fear.
- 22:25Banasi provides specific details about Johnny Gosh—marks on his body, information he couldn't know unless he was present at the abduction.
- 22:57A pedophile network operating across foster care systems and religious institutions—the most disgusting example of evil in society—receives minimal police focus.
- 23:38Prosecutors and cops dismiss witnesses as tainted or imperfect, but the underlying ideas still hold credibility despite the witness's questionable background.
- 24:10The network systematically destroyed the credibility of abducted children through abuse, making them unable to be believed when they reported what happened.
- 24:31The sophistication of the abuse suggests an organized network that knew exactly how to hurt victims' credibility and prevent them from ever being believed.
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- 7 min
David, the documentary's director, joins to explain how he got involved via journalist Nick Bryant and the book The Franklin Scandal, describes the film's narrative structure focused on Noreen Gosch, and outlines Johnny's disappearance on his paper route.
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- 24:48David directed 'Who Took Johnny,' which is currently trending on Netflix.
- 25:24The film finished in 2014, took a year to find a distributor, then went to Amazon and iTunes before Netflix acquired the streaming rights.
- 26:02David and his partners made 'Horns and Halos' in 2002 for HBO about a man who bought rights to a discredited George W. Bush biography.
- 26:27A journalist named Nick Bryant approached them after a screening with a crazier story—The Franklin Scandal.
- 27:32The Franklin Scandal involved a credit union in Omaha that was laundering money and running a teen prostitution network, flying kids around to service wealthy and powerful people.
- 28:15Operators would abduct children, plunder the foster care system and Boys Town, then make kids molest other children and run drugs to destroy their credibility.
- 28:54A central character in the Franklin scandal was Paul Benassi, a former teen prostitute who helped kidnap Johnny Gosh in Des Moines, Iowa, nine years before the scandal broke.
- 29:36Johnny's mother Noreen became an incredible advocate for victims' families, helped start the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and changed laws requiring law enforcement to act immediately.
- 30:31As documentary filmmakers, David and his team approach stories as narrative filmmakers rather than journalists, focusing on character, protagonist, and narrative arc.
- 31:00They centered the film on Noreen Gosh as an incredibly brave and charismatic reluctant hero fighting against all odds over thirty years.
- 31:11Johnny's case follows a linear narrative from his disappearance through sightings and evidence that unfolds like a scripted film with ups, downs, climax, and revelations.
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- 5 min
David and Tim discuss the police department's early dismissal of Johnny's case as a runaway, corrupt police chiefs Orval Clooney and Wadman, and why suspicion initially fell on the parents.
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- 32:24Johnny Gosch, 12 years old, went out on his paper route in West Des Moines on September 5th—the first time he went alone.
- 32:44His dog came home without him, and neighbors started calling about missing papers.
- 33:04West Des Moines police department had only 25 or 30 officers, too small to handle the investigation properly.
- 33:36Johnny had begged to go on the route alone that morning; his father didn't accompany him as he normally would.
- 34:10The parents became immediate suspects, which is statistically common in abduction cases.
- 34:32Noreen's appearance—dark hair, big personality—went against the stereotypical Midwestern housewife look, which clouded people's perception of her.
- 35:00Police immediately framed Johnny as a runaway despite evidence that he'd spoken to someone in a car.
- 35:20Police Chief Clooney told search parties to go home, saying the boy was nothing but a runaway.
- 35:31Clooney was a troubled figure with complaints of corruption, alcoholism, and ineptness rather than any direct connection to the disappearance.
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- 5 min
Tim jokes about his own career being derailed by this obsession, then he and David discuss why the case captivates people online, drawing comparisons to MKUltra and the lack of a 'kids' lobby' in society.
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- 36:47Tim explains why the Etan Patz case is so engrossing compared to other shows they've done.
- 37:04The case works because it combines a relatable Americana story—a kid on a paper route who vanishes—with tangential threads leading to child prostitution, political blackmail, and Satanism.
- 37:56MKUltra comes up in rabbit holes: the CIA had an admitted mind control program that gave psychotropic drugs to unwitting people, including children.
- 38:22Tim raises the question of why there's no kids' lobby in America when every other industry has one.
- 38:39The Finders was a cult in northern Florida that allegedly abducted children; a US customs report documented photos of kids and animal sacrifice.
- 39:23A pattern emerges in both cases: the FBI and other agencies don't actively cover things up, but show strange inertia and do nothing.
- 39:47Mind control through personality splitting could allow one personality to assassinate someone while another remains unaware, and trauma-induced dissociation in abused children parallels this mechanism.
- 40:23Examples like Jaycee Dugard show kidnapping victims who don't escape even when they have opportunities, raising questions about the psychology of ritualized abuse.
- 40:55Tim proposes that elements of the U.S. government might know about or indirectly support these crimes as a research tool.
- 41:14Tim worries he's crossed a line with the government theory and jokes about whether they'll get killed for saying it.
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David explains the Finders cult bust in Florida, the concept of trauma-based mind control and dissociation, and discusses the disturbing photographs dropped on Noreen's doorstep possibly showing Johnny.
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- 41:35Government admitted MK Ultra existed, raising the question of whether it still continues today.
- 41:51Tim pushes back on viewers who dismiss the documentary as true crime instead of recognizing a larger network of child abuse.
- 42:16Photographs of bound and gagged teenage boys were dropped on the subject's doorstep, and the broader point is what these images reveal about child exploitation networks.
- 43:14Craig Spence ran a call boy ring in Washington D.C., allegedly providing services to high-ranking government officials.
- 44:02Lawrence E. King traveled with unaccompanied minors without names on flight manifests landing in Washington D.C., raising questions about the purpose.
- 44:43Psychologists estimate between half a percent and four percent of the population has pedophilic interests, creating a significant market for exploitation services.
- 45:29Escort services cater specifically to pedophiles seeking access to children, paralleling legitimate escort industries but targeting vulnerable minors.
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David breaks down the Washington D.C. political blackmail angle involving Craig Spence and Lawrence E. King, discusses statistics on pedophilia, and explains the CIA-style logic of compromising powerful people with recorded material.
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- 45:58Tim compares a blackmail operation to a party where drugs come out after the squares leave.
- 46:22Craig Spence's house contained two-way mirrors and recording devices—the infrastructure for blackmail.
- 46:34Lawrence E. King, a rising Republican star who sang the national anthem at the convention, allegedly flew around the country with children as part of the ring.
- 47:24Why would well-known congressmen have affairs while public, and why would the CIA need blackmail if their agenda is supposedly good for America?
- 48:08Blackmail and control isn't unique to the CIA—businesses and corporations use the same tactics.
- 48:35America's Most Wanted and John Walsh investigated Johnny Gosch's disappearance and uncovered multiple victims of the ring after the first episode aired.
- 49:12A caller to America's Most Wanted revealed he had the same brand on his leg as Johnny Gosch, proving the ring existed.
- 49:52Paul Bonacci showed producers an actual house in Colorado where children were kept, and the producers verified it existed.
- 50:23Fox Television couldn't locate the America's Most Wanted episode about the case from five thousand-plus episodes in their library.
- 51:10People's reluctance to discuss the story is often more revealing than their willingness to talk about it, and Brian has reported being tailed and harassed.
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- 8 min
David recounts how America's Most Wanted broke open the case leading callers to report matching brands, discusses investigator Gary Caradori's mysterious plane crash while carrying incriminating photos, and reflects on whether Johnny could still be alive under a new identity.
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- 52:14Gary Caradori's plane breaks up in mid-air over Aurora, Illinois while returning with his son after obtaining photographs for the Franklin scandal investigation.
- 52:41Caradori was investigating victims of the Franklin scandal in the late 80s and early 90s, including Paul Bonacci.
- 53:05Tim notes how unsettling it is when documentary subjects' planes actually explode.
- 53:57Paul Bonacci comes across as credible despite being discredited due to multiple personality disorder, which psychologists say doesn't necessarily mean someone is dishonest.
- 55:00Lawrence King, the central figure in the Franklin scandal, is still alive and refuses interviews—he hung up when contacted.
- 55:37In trial footage, Noreen is compelled to admit Johnny came to her one night and expressed fear for his safety.
- 56:18Documentary makers initially planned to find Johnny Gosh alive, but realized that if he survived the sex ring, he may have been forced into complicity and couldn't safely come forward.
- 56:58Tim challenges the idea that Johnny's abduction was the work of a lone pedophile, pointing out law enforcement sources promoting this theory seem suspicious.
- 58:25Eyewitnesses saw more than one person talking to Johnny the morning he disappeared, ruling out a lone abductor.
- 59:16Thousands of abducted children vanish without a trace, and if child pornography is an industry, it requires a supply of child victims.
- 59:50Tim asks whether the documentary explores satanic elements in the case.
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Noreen Gosch joins by phone and describes in detail the morning Johnny vanished on his paper route, the neighborhood kids' matching descriptions of the suspect, and the police chief callously telling a search party to go home because 'this kid is nothing but a runaway.'
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- 1:00:08Tim mentions discovering the Johnny Gosch story through a recent documentary and how it shocked people of his generation.
- 1:00:50Noreen explains why she's dedicated herself to advocating for kidnapping victims—the compulsion to ensure her son's case led to something good.
- 1:01:37The police response was incompetent from the first hours, with the officer asking if Johnny had run away instead of investigating Noreen's detailed witness information.
- 1:03:17Noreen knew immediately they were in trouble when the officer's response showed he wasn't taking the case seriously.
- 1:03:40The police chief arrived at a volunteer search with a bullhorn and told 23 people searching the state park that the boy was just a runaway.
- 1:04:55Johnny had broken routine that morning—he went out alone on his paper route for the first time instead of waking his father as agreed.
- 1:05:35The other newspaper delivery kids at the corner were older, ages 14 and up, which may have motivated Johnny to prove he could do the route alone at age 12.
- 1:06:02In 13 months of delivering papers, Johnny had earned a perfect service award every month until the one morning he was kidnapped.
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Noreen describes a man photographing Johnny with a telephoto lens weeks before the kidnapping, testifies to a Senate hearing about a photo catalog of children, and recounts the emotional night Johnny secretly visited her 15 years later.
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- 1:06:23A man with stolen California plates photographed Johnny as he walked home from school with a telephoto lens, and police said taking pictures wasn't illegal.
- 1:07:20Tim notes the disturbing pattern: children were stalked, photographed, and cataloged in books before being kidnapped—evidence of premeditation.
- 1:07:53Noreen testified before Senate and saw books filled with pictures of children who hadn't been kidnapped yet, created by people scouting neighborhoods.
- 1:08:42The kidnapping was planned and coordinated with three vehicles and multiple people involved—not the random act of a single predator.
- 1:09:09A kidnapping ring operating with such coordination and resources suggests they were selling children to wealthy people with political clout to cover it up.
- 1:09:42Tim agrees human trafficking couldn't be a two-billion-dollar business without cooperation from high levels of government.
- 1:10:16Noreen appeared on a TV talk show and left a message for Johnny, telling him where to find her and that she would help no matter what.
- 1:10:52Three months later, Johnny knocked on her door—he had seen the show and was no longer useful to the ring because he was too old.
- 1:11:49Johnny showed up with another person who remained silent, stayed about an hour and a half, and told Noreen he wanted the ring brought to justice.
- 1:13:52Johnny cannot come home because he fears for his life, fears going to jail for things he was forced to do, and faces all of the above.
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- 10 min
Noreen explains why abducted kids like Johnny can never return due to threats against their families and being forced into felonies, promotes her book, and describes the powerful moment of meeting Paul Bonacci in prison and believing his account.
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- 1:14:14Trafficked children are forced to commit felonies within days of abduction, creating insurance that keeps them from seeking police help.
- 1:14:33Captors threaten to murder children's remaining family members if they attempt escape, a form of brainwashing that works because the kids believe it.
- 1:15:25Johnny has communicated with his mother since disappearance, usually around Mother's Day and Christmas.
- 1:15:50Investigation findings suggest Johnny is still alive with no evidence of murder discovered.
- 1:16:18Children in trafficking networks know names and details of perpetrators in high government positions, which is why some are killed as a safety measure.
- 1:17:13Paul Bonacci walked into the prison meeting in chains and his eyes told the mother she would hear the truth.
- 1:18:24Paul Bonacci broke down sobbing when told he was meeting Johnny's mother, saying he was sorry for his part despite having a gun to his head.
- 1:19:17Paul had no incentive to lie because he received no favors or payoff for helping the investigation.
- 1:20:08The top perpetrators in trafficking networks stay protected and escape justice, even when individual cases result in arrests.
- 1:20:43Paul Bonacci witnessed the money changing hands when Johnny was sold, confirming human trafficking is a multi-billion-dollar business.
- 1:21:45Unknown photos of Johnny were left propped against the mother's front door with no postmark, likely meant to harass and intimidate.
- 1:22:42One photo in the envelope clearly showed Johnny, while another depicted what appeared to be a dead man and a third showed three boys on a bed from an earlier Florida case.
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Noreen recounts the surreal experience of the IRS questioning deductions for search expenses, discusses the billions of dollars involved in trafficking possibly funding black ops, and laments that top perpetrators are too well protected to be caught.
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- 1:24:31When asked why her ex-husband wasn't as vigilant in the investigation, she responds simply: "Well, he wasn't me."
- 1:25:27She received a disc with 500 pictures including images of other children and offered it to the FBI and West Des Moines Police, but they never returned her call.
- 1:26:16A computer forensics expert cracked a Russian pedophile website that required multiple passwords to access.
- 1:26:43The National Center for Missing Children told her they had been trying for four years to crack the website password that her forensic expert obtained.
- 1:27:23The investigation resulted in 700 arrests across multiple countries, with 200 of the pedophiles located in the United States and Interpol involvement.
- 1:27:58Children are the most vulnerable members of society but lack organized advocacy, especially those in foster care or at Boys Town, which were both targeted by the ring.
- 1:29:06She wrote legislation at her kitchen table that passed in Iowa and was copied by surrounding states, and testified at multiple state legislatures to help them pass similar laws.
- 1:29:24The IRS audited her family for deductions taken for expenses connected to finding their kidnapped child, claiming the child chose to leave home.
- 1:29:47When the IRS came after them, she responded that her child was missing, not that he chose to leave home, calling the situation insane.
- 1:30:02Tim asks whether she thinks the photos acquired by private investigator Gary Carradori have been destroyed or if any hard evidence still exists.
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- 6 min
Noreen details working with an Australian detective to trace a suspect's IP address to a home in Reston, Virginia, only for the FBI to abruptly pull back from an imminent arrest, calling it evidence of a cover-up.
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- 1:30:20Larry King moved to Reston, Virginia around the time photographs of Johnny Gosh started arriving from that same location.
- 1:30:41An Australian detective volunteering to help contacted Tim's guest and learned about a man claiming to possess 3,020 photographs of Johnny Gosh on a message board.
- 1:31:14Tim's guest asked the detective to get the man to send an email so they could trace the IP address to its source.
- 1:31:41The FBI was fully prepared to arrest the man and search his Reston, Virginia home, but suddenly pulled back and refused to proceed.
- 1:31:55The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children called to say they were ready to agree there was a cover-up, but the FBI's sudden reversal blocked the investigation in February 1987.
- 1:32:26Tim notes the unprecedented level of coercion being used to stop investigations and silence journalists on this case.
- 1:33:33When first speaking publicly about organized kidnappings by pedophile groups, people refused to listen and compared it to 1920s organized crime.
- 1:34:19Tim's guest describes modern kidnapping as a new, more sophisticated form of organized crime targeting children whenever they are out of sight.
- 1:35:21Advice for parents dealing with similar situations: never give up hope, stay focused, be part of the investigation, ask questions, and don't stop looking.
- 1:35:40While many police departments around the country handle missing children cases well, Tim's guest acknowledges having a bad experience that doesn't reflect nationwide standards.
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- 4 min
Noreen gives advice to parents of missing children, describes Larry King's Embassy Row parties where children were allegedly brought in for sex with powerful guests, and says goodbye before Tim praises her as an American hero.
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- 1:36:37Tim praises Noreen as an American hero and thanks her for raising awareness about human trafficking.
- 1:37:36Noreen describes how people now tell her she was right all along about the growth of human trafficking crime.
- 1:38:03Former FBI agents and retired police detectives working as private investigators helped Noreen get information faster than local police.
- 1:38:26Noreen claims some politician names involved with child exploitation would shock the American people.
- 1:38:57Larry King hosted massive parties on Embassy Row in D.C. where cocaine and drugs were brought out after the official party ended.
- 1:39:09Children were brought into Larry King's parties for sex with guests who had that desire, according to Noreen's account.
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- 7 min
Tim and David reflect on Noreen's revelations, discuss how child exploitation has moved online via the Tor network, bring up Dennis Hastert's cover-up and briefly mention Jeffrey Epstein, and discuss whether the public could handle the full truth.
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- 1:40:05Shift from physical catalogs to the Tor network for child exploitation material online.
- 1:40:22Tim explains the Tor network as an anonymous browser used for illegal activities including drugs and child pornography.
- 1:40:47Discussion of government officials convicted of child pornography, including a homeland security cyber chief serving 25 years.
- 1:41:10Could law enforcement plant child pornography on someone's computer as a trap rather than catching them in the act.
- 1:41:39Dennis Hastert's abuse was known for a decade before he was exposed, with victims approaching ABC News and media outlets.
- 1:42:07Jeffrey Epstein's island, sex trafficking operation, and connections to high-ranking government officials.
- 1:42:41Russ Baker has investigated deep historical crimes including JFK assassination and CIA involvement, looking worn down by what he knows.
- 1:43:16Tim asks whether the American people could actually handle knowing how the government operates in certain areas.
- 1:43:50People are more willing to discuss JFK assassination and Iran-Contra than the ongoing exploitation of children.
- 1:45:18After researching these stories deeply, seemingly implausible allegations like Dennis Hastert, Penn State, and church abuse become entirely believable.
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- 2 min
David plugs his production company Rumur and other lighter projects like an ESPN Gatorade documentary, gives closing thoughts on civic attention to injustice, and Tim closes the show thanking guests and denying any suicidal intent.
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- 1:47:31David on how paying attention to injustice makes it harder for it to happen, versus being distracted by reality TV and entertainment.
- 1:48:16Tim thanks David for coming in and Noreen Gosh for her underreported contributions to the conversation.
- 1:48:44Announcement that this will be the last podcast, followed by a disclaimer that Tim and the show are not suicidal.