Interview · moment 5 of 23
Discovering the Deep State
from Incompetence and Ruthlessness · #8
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Baker reflects on his own political evolution from a typical liberal journalist to someone who understood 'deep state' power dynamics, crediting this shift for both Family of Secrets and the founding of Who What Why.
- 10:08Most people in journalism and social work end up relating to the people they deal with and understanding their humanity.
- 10:56Tim didn't know anything about deep state dynamics or deep politics—how power configurations perpetuate certain policies and elites.
- 11:17The media knows nothing about the deep state, or if they do know, they don't talk about it.
- 11:42Family of Secrets is one of the only books that gave Tim chills while reading it, feeling like opening a door that hadn't been opened before.
- 12:01George H.W. Bush was sold to the public as a lovable, bumbling guy, but he actually lived a secret life for most of his life.
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