Interview · moment 21 of 23
Clinton vs. Carter, and Waking People From Cognitive Dissonance
from Incompetence and Ruthlessness · #8
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4 minGuest
Baker compares Bill Clinton's cooperation with the national security state to Jimmy Carter's one-term punishment for pushing back, then discusses techniques for getting audiences past cognitive dissonance and denial about how power really works.
- 1:03:44Bill Clinton made no efforts to take on the national security state, while Jimmy Carter did and was limited to a single term.
- 1:04:02Clinton passed welfare and banking reforms that the wealthy wanted, making him a loyal cooperator with the system.
- 1:04:30People are reluctant to believe structural critiques because everyone needs to believe something to get up in the morning.
- 1:04:54Events like the Boston Marathon bombing and 9/11 aren't fully investigated, and the official narrative doesn't hold up—the truth lives somewhere in between.
- 1:05:42Tim has spent years studying how to deal with people's cognitive dissonance during public speaking.
- 1:06:03Americans don't want to hear how the sausage is made because we have artificially subsidized good lives.
- 1:06:26Liberals who love Hillary Clinton are part of the problem too—they see themselves as virtuous while propping up the corrupt system through their careers as corporate lawyers.
- 1:07:15Tim uses a house-fire analogy: people won't ignore flames at their door, so we should pay attention to threats licking at our doors constantly.
- 1:07:40When people discover the truth and everything starts making sense, it's electrifying because suddenly they know what to do and who's responsible.
- 1:07:53Societal depression stems from nothing making sense; understanding structural problems gives people direction and accountability.
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