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WikiLeaks, Chelsea Manning, and the Cost of Leaking

from Incompetence and Ruthlessness · #8

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Baker assesses WikiLeaks' real but limited impact, praises Chelsea Manning as taking the biggest risk of the leakers, discusses Barrett Brown, and pivots to why intelligence agencies are portrayed as merely incompetent rather than malicious.

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  • 59:19Serious investigative reporters like Jane Mayer and Seymour Hersh shy away from certain stories due to fear of professional reputation damage.
  • 59:41Robert Caro's LBJ biography reveals him as corrupt and murderous but stops short at the Kennedy assassination—a line even great writers won't cross.
  • 1:00:15Tim asks what drives someone like his guest to push forward where others won't: refusing the warnings and just going for the truth.
  • 1:00:42The Kennedy assassination is the key to understanding the death of real democracy in America half a century ago.
  • 1:01:19Kennedy wasn't necessarily a savior figure but rather someone disrupting forces that opposed him—the real story is what he was disrupting.
  • 1:01:49The same people who shape public perceptions do it on everything, which means almost everything is wrong to some extent, including the Kennedy narrative.
  • 1:02:01Kennedy was actually quite courageous and admirable with genuine ideas he wanted to execute while balancing reelection and not alienating the ruling class.
  • 1:02:34According to Family of Secrets, the guest figured out where George H.W. Bush was on the day of the Kennedy assassination.
  • 1:03:05Bush wasn't particularly effective as a policy maker—he lacked the vision thing—but was a key architect of Iran-Contra and a networking guy who knew how to bring people on board.
Mentioned here

John F. KennedyLyndon B. JohnsonKennedy assassinationRobert CaroGeorge H. W. BushSeymour HershJane MayerOliver StoneBill ClintonHillary Clinton

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