Interview · moment 19 of 23
PSYOPs, Mateen, Holmes, and MKUltra
from Incompetence and Ruthlessness · #8
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5 minGuest
Baker discusses media stage-management of narratives (calling it PSYOPs), the pattern of mass shooters who tried and failed to join the military or police, and connects this to MKUltra and the Church Committee's revelations about mind-control experiments and figures like Hinckley and Sirhan Sirhan.
- 54:25MK Ultra was a real CIA program discovered by Senator Frank Church's committee in the 1970s, where agents testified they were trying to create a Manchurian candidate.
- 55:00Tim notes the Hinckley family's connection to the Bush family in the Reagan assassination attempt, framing it as a suspicious coincidence people dismiss.
- 55:17LA coroner said Robert Kennedy was shot from behind his head, but Sirhan Sirhan was in front of him — yet the case never gets properly investigated.
- 55:43WikiLeaks initially changed the dynamic when mainstream outlets like the New York Times eventually joined in, though they later turned on Assange.
- 56:27Chelsea Manning took bigger risks than Snowden and her life has been destroyed through humiliation and horrible prison conditions.
- 57:18People claim the government is too incompetent to keep secrets, but the CIA successfully concealed coups in Iran and Guatemala, the Gulf of Tonkin staging, for 30-50 years.
- 57:53Books and the CIA itself deliberately portray the agency as somewhat incompetent to obscure the reality that they intentionally cause harm, not just mess up good intentions.
- 58:42Secrets stay hidden because whistleblowers face severe consequences; people inside institutions rarely speak up, whether in corporations, police departments, or prisons.
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